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    Some would say that when the USA is bombing the country, sinking its boats, killing its fishermen and stealing its oil tankers, war is already here.

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      Except this isn’t a war, congress hasn’t declared authorized it. This headline is shit and normalizing trump going full fucking hitler.

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        I don’t think Congress has declared war since Vietnam. Everything since has been at the presidents whim and been termed a conflict, police action or some other euphemism.

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            By that logic every president since Roosevelt was a dictator.

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            Officially? Officiated by who? Obama was also officially a dictator then?

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              I think they want Trump to be aberrational and are trying to work backward from there. Just BlueMaga things.

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                  You know what it means, pretending that the democrats are somewhat less fascists than the republicans while in fact they are like having to choose for someone to pee in your ear or shit on your mouth. Right, democrats paint LGBT flags on the missiles they drop on third world shit holes, they must care then.

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            The War Powers Act of 1973 only requires the president to notify congress within 48 hours. The president only needs authorization it troops are deployed for longer than 60 days.

            The US drone strikes wherever it feels like, whenever it feels like. In fact, this was reaffirmed in one of the wiki pages you link in another comment:

            The authorization granted the president the authority to use all “necessary and appropriate force” against those whom he determined “planned, authorized, committed or aided” the September 11 attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups.

            Note that no specific country is mentioned in that, meaning that it gave the president complete, unilateral authority to determine which countries fell into that category and how to respond.

            Business Insider has reported that the AUMF has been used to allow military deployment in Afghanistan, the Philippines, Georgia, Yemen, Djibouti, Kenya, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Iraq, and Somalia. The 2001 AUMF has enabled the US president to unilaterally launch military operations across the world without any congressional oversight or transparency for more than two decades. Between 2018 and 2020 alone, US forces initiated what it labelled “counter-terror” activities in 85 countries. Of these, the 2001 AUMF has been used to launch classified military campaigns in at least 22 countries.

            Even now, all Trump would have to do is say he determined that Venezuela at one point “harbored” someone connected to 9/11, there could even be truth to it! If someone tangentially connected at some point might possibly have passed through Venezuela without the government’s knowledge, that’s enough (not that we would even be told the reason). This insanity became the law of the land over 20 years ago, with near-unanimous bipartisan support, and it has survived multiple democratic presidents. Biden invoked it regarding Somalia as recently as 2021.

            Welcome to the paying attention club, glad you could join us, but this is absolutely not new.

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        Captain America, things ain’t like they used to be like before you was froze.

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        Sure, and the Russian invasion of Ukraine isn’t a war. It’s just a Special Military Operation, right? If we just stop calling it war, there won’t be any war! Guys, we’ve solved world peace!

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        War is determined by actions, not by Congress.

        That being said, this isn’t war yet.

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        Except this isn’t a war, congress hasn’t declared authorized it.

        What difference does that make?

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        “The Blitzkrieg of Poland wasn’t a war because the German parliament didn’t approve.”

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        To rest of the world the US has started a war.

        In the US congress is to embarrassed to admit they allowed him to do so. Rather then impeaching and hanging the little fucker.

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    Bush rolls tanks into Fallujah, bombs all public infrastructure, hundreds dead: is war imminent?

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    I think we’re used to the USA and its mass media not bothering to declare war, and simply starting war (bonus points for claiming the other side started the war once they counterattack, as is tradition)

    The USA has started a direct military conflict with Venezuela, the state.

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    Totally unprovoked act of agression? Where can I see this phrase, I didnt find it yet in the mainstream. Well I hope ICJ will issue arrest warrant for Trump any day now.

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    Trump is friends with the Saudis, and they bring in billions in oil money every day. He wants what they have, and the biggest oil reserves on the planet are under Venezuela.

    He wants that oil, so he can compete with the Saudi Royal family. We are definitely going to war, and when we do, he will demand a draft. That will take control of the most dangerous demographic segment - military age men - who are in a very vulnerable position to be influenced by propaganda. Those that take to the propaganda are useful, and those who don’t, feed the war machine.

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    Trump creating allies across the planet, much the same way that Hitler also created allied forces.
    It took too far too long last time and that cost so many lives and economies. Europe is slowly stirring. South America could (should) see the imminent threats.

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    let’s wait a minute: did trump provide images of this attack? did the venezuelan government confirmed it happened?

    so far it’s just trump boasting as usual.

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    At this point South America needs to unify & form a latin federation. But first get rid of millei, then create nukes fast. Iran needs one too, but their fatwa gets in the way.

    The global south has a kindness issue.

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        Same as it ever was.

        If the headline is trying to ask if Venezuela is going to be America’s next Vietnam or Iraq or even Afganistan, the answer is “no.”

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      Well, we don’t have US Army infantry… but remember that former Green Beret captured in Venezuela in 2020 trying to perform a coup, who then said he was working for the CIA?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020)

      A clownish operation like that certainly seems like the CIA’s modus operandi. They like their reputation as a very powerful and secretive operation, but also look at how many times they tried and failed to kill Castro, when a simple car bomb would have sufficed.