One thing I’m concerned about is recording equipment leaving identifiable information without us knowing about it.

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    Most modern cars are SIM-enabled and are constantly sending data back to the mothership. But even those that aren’t will still collect data locally and that data will be collected when you send the car to an “official/licenced/authorized” repair shop.

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      Any proof of this just sounds like BS. Even your source doesn’t proof what you are saying. Echo devices ring doorbells nothing about fire tvs.

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      No where does it state that customer data is being sent to Amazon. And neither that the technology is implemented in Amazon TVs.

      Thanks for giving false info or inaccurate source.

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        At launch (in 2021) the FireTV was not on the list of Sidewalk-enabled products, but given the fact that Sidewalk was enabled without user consent on many existing devices (and has been found to re-enable itself after being disabled) combined with the fact that FireTV devices all have at least the necessary bluetooth radio (even if not the LoRA part, Sidewalk can use both/either) and thus could become sidewalk-enabled by a software update in the future… I would still say that Sidewalk is a reason (among many) to boycott FireTV along with the rest of Amazon’s products.

        The takeaway that Amazon built their own mesh network so that their products in neighboring homes can exfiltrate data via eachother whenever any one of them can get online is not false.

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    Social graph connections can be automatically inferred from location data. This has been done by governments (example) for a long time and is also done by private companies (sorry I can’t find a link at the moment).

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    The worst thing about that printer tracking is that we only learned about it around 20 years after they started implementing it. It’s been another 20 years, imagine what they’re doing now.

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    Photos taken by digital cameras are also trackable in a similar way as prints taken from a printer. I recall reading they were trying to identify the device after a Harry Potter book was leaked by someone taking digital photographs.

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      Was it just EXIF information or was it something embedded in the pixels? If it’s just EXIF that’s something you can scrub from the file easily.

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        The Harry Potter thing was EXIF https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/07/harry-potter-and-digital-fingerprints

        But pictures can also be traced back to a camera based on irregularities in the camera sensor https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tracing-photos-back-to-the-camera-that-snapped-them/

        Unlike with the printers, there is probably no database of the CMOS sensor irregularities of all cameras ever made. But if you upload pictures under your government name and the take pictures with the same camera and share them anonymously, this could be traced back to you in theory.

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          sensor pattern noise is recognizable to an extent with pros, but usually its paired with highlight rolloff and other similar qualities. For instance, when I watch a movie, I can figure, okay, this was probably one of the arri’s rather than a RED, etc. Sometimes, especially with a bit of knowledge on how/where they shot this, you can get an even better idea, close to a specific model. Of course if you’re watching an actual movie, this is all after color correction so its more obvious if you have the raw files.

          anyway, my point is, people who work with the cameras and files can definitely have at least a good idea of what camera something was shot with, but you’d really need a huge database and computers to do the work to match it exactly. I have colleagues that will show me something they worked on, with cameras they don’t own and between the group of us, someone can immediately spot what camera it was shot on. but! like you said, if you post pictures on the internet, and then more pictures/videos with the same camera elsewhere, yeah it should be theoretically possible to match them with sensor noise pattern. they could at least prove its the same model. i’m not sure how much it differentiates between same camera models, but i can recognize my camera models dnp easy peasy. i have not had any caffeine yet so this is likely a jumbled mess of a thought and i apologize.

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            And they can do that based on the way your write text posts too, so probably not worth worrying about camera sensor fingerprinting too much.

            Just don’t post about your insurrection plans on public forums in general, with or without photos.

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        Cameras generally have barely noticeable, but uniquely identifiable, defects that will consistently affect pictures. So if you post a photo on your personal Social Media, and then you post a photo from the same camera on Hexbear, those two things could be connected. Just because it can happen doesn’t mean it’s practical, though.

        I have no idea if this is what’s been used with the Harry Potter thing.

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        That’s the obvious one. But you can also add data to images by adding tiny values to the pixels, it’ll still look the same to us (same as printer tiny dots).

        I don’t know if phones actually do this. Just saying it’s possible.

        But many uploading sites optimize the images, so it’ll be gone on reshare, but they could get it on first upload.

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    No… But i’ve thought about how easy it would be to implement in ebooks and pdfs (e.g. my daily newspaper i can download as pdf). I’ve thought about this when sailing the high seas.

    Is it a thing?

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    Isn’t it common knowledge? I’ve known about it for at least two decades…

    BTW - you can easily work around it. Get someone else to buy your printer for you, or trade with someone who has the same printer… Now, they will still be able to match it to the printer, if they find it at your home, but other that that, you are free…

    PS. Don’t use your printer to blackmail FBI or CIA. ;-)

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      Pro tip: If you use a pen and paper to blackmail the FBI and CIA, they can’t trace it back to you using invisible yellow dots.

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      There is no connection from a random printer you buy somewhere anonymous to you. They can “only” verify something was (not) printed with that printer.

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        As I said - but there could be a connection. Did you use cash or a card? Some places you have a membership, or they ask if you want the receipt on your mail…

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        No you don’t get it, if you swap paper with your cousin before printing the feds won’t have a fucking clue.

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          Doesn’t work very well if you buy something directly from someone. Or if your cash is given out as change. Seems like it would make a wildly inaccurate profile.

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            Lots of stores also gives bills back out, the system makes zero sense, it can’t track anything at all. Like maybe 5% of bills are used once and then returned to the bank.

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            ATMs give out $20 bills. In order to get one back as change you’d have to pay with a bill larger than $20. I don’t remember the last time I carried something larger than a 20.

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            Given a large enough time frame this can be treated as random noise which is easily filtered out, and this data isn’t necessarily meant to track your supermarket shopping. For example, you can use it to figure out where somebody went who has gone into hiding. They might have cleared out their bank accounts before leaving and with that data you can see where these banknotes are now showing up. Just wait at the store they apparently visit every Tuesday.

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              That’s completely made up. Most bills are given out to other customers once used in a store, the amount of bills that are used once and returned to the bank would be well under 5%.

              Fantastic fabricated story though. Money laundering which has been done for decades would defeat this, it’s a scary story to share that has zero basis on reality.

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                Netzpolitik recently did an article about that. I consider them a credible source. How often bills are used before there are returned to the bank heavily depends on the denomination. Larger bills don’t circulate as much and at least in my country most stores return their cash income to the bank on a daily basis. People also tend to spend their money around the area where they live, so even if you couldn’t figure out which exact store a targeted person spends their money at due to circulation (which I doubt), you can still quickly find the general area in which they are staying.

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                  Without some type of visual confirmation, it’s all noise.

                  On my way home from work, I grab $600 from the atm, $300 for my wife’s tattoo, $200 for me, and $100 for wife spending money.

                  After the appt the tattoos artists wife takes $200 and flys across country that night. I spend my $200 at the peelers, all those go to a dozen different girls and servers. My wife the next day goes shopping at an outlet mall and spends her $100 at 4 stores. The tattoo artist spends his $100 on beer.

                  We live on the same block and I pulled the money out across town. Who’s is the original takers purchases….?

                  It’s 95% noise, it’s useless unless you’re an investigator and have boots on the ground.

                  Again, it’s a fun story to share around the campfire though. Is it possible, yes, can it be done in actual practice, absolutely not. Not without some other information.

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    Ive never noticed this or heard that printers do that.

    Is this maybe specific to the USA?

    Edit: TIL, thank you!