cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/49310400
Alabama Republican voters and politicians meanwhile:
Maybe being a bag of dicks to the rest of the world wasn’t such a great idea.
It’s not California being a dick. But the boycott is justified all the same.
Californian here, and I would agree that US-CA isn’t really the problem that, say, Kentucky is and that’s why the bourbon boycott is effective. But, hurt US-CA and you’re hurting the US, so I support that. And the elephant in the room is that are more Republicans in US-CA than any other state, and I’d wager a high percentage of winery owners skew Republican.
It’s a shame, but the boycott is warranted. I just hope that when we get back to sane times, other countries remember that California largely tries to do the right thing. The way you look at the US, us Californians look at the rest of the US the same way.
Yeah all those winery owners are rich conservatives
CA isn’t really the problem that, say, Kentucky is
Reactionaries in California outnumber reactionaries in Kentucky 10:1
And sane people outnumber “reactionaries”/republicans. Your point?
You’re willfully ignorant if you think the average California voter does more harm than the harmful Kentucky voter. See Mitch McConnell. Credit where due, however, their governor is pretty good.
All of that isn’t to say I object to the boycott. I most certainly do not.
You’re willfully ignorant if you think the average California voter does more harm than the harmful Kentucky voter
I’ve seen enough evidence to believe Gavin Newsom and Dianne Feinstein have committed atrocities. Nevermind Kamala Harris.
“Atrocities”, really? Did you bring that evidence to share with the class?
Is it really that simple when the technology companies that have enabled all of this the most have been most supported by and enabled by California. I agree that the average persons worldview is much healthier in California but none of this is likely to have happened without the dominant social platforms and data collection of American tech.
That’s capitalism, baby. And I hate it too.
Right, because the trouble is that boycotts become meaningless when you start trying to justify buying from certain states (no state is homogenous) or by C-suite political support (also not homogenous). At the end of the day, the tax money all funds a government that threatens Canada with economic warfare and annexation. I hope US businesses run by good people do well, but right now it has to be Americans themselves who support them.
You seem to be under the impression that I do not support Canadas boycott. I do. Re-read my comment.
I would agree that CA isn’t really the problem
hurt CA and you’re hurting the US
Republicans in CA
I just want to point out that in the context of multiple countries, “CA” would refer to Canada, as it’s literally the worldwide recognized 2-letter ISO-3166 country code.
And yes, while most people would understand what is meant from the context, using US defaultism in a thread about another country boycotting US American products kinda bumps.
That is an extremely good point, and does expose my bias (I live in California, but ironically dual Canadian citizen). I’ll lightly edit the comment using the ISO-3166 code for California (respectfully for you, because as much of a fan of ISO standards as I am, I’d not heard of 3166. Thanks).
I live in wine country. Anyone who owns a winery is a capitalist douchebag, full fuckin stop. Feel no sympathy for them in your decision making. Boycott the cunts into the fucking ground.
I mean for the rest of the world noone cares what individual states think and do. The president and his administration represent the American people.
It’s not California being a dick.
California is flush with right wing reactionaries and techno-fascist shitheads.
Can’t really selectively target a nations dipshits so unfortunately you all get punished for not stopping it
I was talking to my bro a few weeks ago, after an edible and a joint mind you, and I had the idea that the best thing the rest of the world could do is to stop acknowledging the US as a whole and ONLY recognize individual states as independent nations.
This would cause so much chaos
USA has been doing just that for years. Look up FEOC.
That would mean the EU or various other unions around the world would have to expect the same treatment in return
Also most countries like the UN rules
I mean there are many reasons that would prevent it from happening. But thinking about the ramifications if the international community just had enough of the US’s bullshit that they decided to do it that way would be very interesting.
It’s not without merit either, as the “states rights” people in the US might even support it, which would be absolutely wild.
Just a thought experiment, fueled by an altered state of mind, produced happy thoughts
Oh I can assure you China, Iran, and Ukraine are done with USA’s bullshit. China started it by being the first to tell Trump no in his 2nd term by shutting off rare earth metals.
California, home to the most evil and powerful companies in the world. Lmao.
It’s not a la carte dicks of America. It’s United States of America. At a certain geopolitical level there is no good vs evil. Just politicians vs politicians.
This is why having normal human beings in the driver’s seat is important and not just entertainment.
Well it’s not Mr. Peterson from Wyoming either. But we can’t individualize how we treat USA. USA is making threats and has started a trade war, so we have to respond to USA as a whole. Both Canada and EU.
Some of California votes consistently Republican. The whole state is not exempt.
Not only will I not buy us booze if back on the shelves but I actively avoid buying any american products if possible and I will never travel there again in my life time. Fuck the pedophile and all who support him and the others who are full of apathy and avarice and sit idly by.
Good.
A lot of the wines are out of California. Both the state as a whole and the wine-producing regions in it tend to not be too keen on Trump.
searches
https://wineamerica.org/policy/by-the-numbers/
California makes 85% of all US wine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_Country
Wine Country is a region of California, in the northern San Francisco Bay Area, known worldwide as a premier wine-growing region.[1]
There are over 1,700 wineries in the North Bay, mostly located in the area’s valleys, including Napa Valley in Napa County, and the Sonoma Valley,
Sonoma County voters, with 52% of votes counted as of Friday morning, firmly supported Harris with 72% of the vote, compared to 25% for Trump.
In Napa County, which had counted 32% of votes, Harris had 64%, compared to Trump’s 33%.
In either of those counties the minority percentages are the wealthy land owners who put huge Trump signs along the fences of their vinyards and orchards. They’re also the ones who hire the undocumented workers every season, but that’s a whole other discussion.
Did you miss the part where we Canadians genuinely do not care?
Who do you think makes up that 33%?
Do you think it’s the normal people, or the obscenely wealthy vineyard owners? Take a wild guess.
IDGAF rein in your boy Yankee scum
I’m well aware. Wasn’t my point.
what’s your point
That’s California’s problem with the rest of their own country and their POTUS, not Canada’s problem.
Cry more :)
Good. Boycotts work. If any of you Americans out there are wondering how you can fight…boycotts work.
My neighbourhood grocery store and liquor store have both decided to stop stocking US goods.
I don’t miss anything. As a Canadian, this is more important to me.
Aw, are Americans sad that they’re being collectively judged and punished as an indistinct collective group?
… first time?
Maybe we should actually get our own house in order?
Just, you know, that?
That first?
No whining, no conditional explanations of layers and degrees of … nah, just… actually geting our shit together?
Actually taking some accountability?
No, we desperately need the whole world to boycott us to save us from the orange chomo-in-chief
Americans sad that they’re being collectively judged and punished
We’re not being collectively judged and punished. Some number of American wine distributors are seeing a decline in their Canadian portfolios.
Why would the rest of us give a shit? That’s their problem, not ours.
Americans sad that they’re being collectively judged and punished
We’re not […]
Nah you guys definitely are being judged
Everyone’s being judged.
I’m still judging you guys for inviting a real actual living 1930s fascist to your Parliament to applaud his work.
I mean, it was obviously a mistake but fair to judge even if it’s on a completely different scale to half your country eagerly electing a modern day pedophilic fascist a SECOND time who has proceeded to fuck over most of the world and repeatedly threatened to annex my country.
You could have mentioned Canada’s treatment of indigenous peoples and the residential schools that went on as late as the 1990s which would have also been a fair thing to judge (I judge it too) but I’m still going to judge the USA harshly for enthusiastically electing a shit starting demented pedo nazi
It has cascading effects. Boycotts are kind of great like that and also it’s why they’re so highly propogandized against. “It doesn’t work bro, it won’t change anything. Why wouldn’t you just use google” don’t buy it. Boycott more stuff.
they’re so highly propogandized against
Reading this in Alex Jones voice
on some small, sad level i probably am the deranged left equivalent of Alex. but Tim Heidecker does it funnier
Can’t believe Alex exploded in his car like that. And now he’s got a clone?
Crazy days.
I’m not judging every American individually, some did try hard to prevent this mess, but I am judging America collectively for allowing this to happen. I’m sick of being told the vast majority were against Trump. If the VAST majority are against him, he’d have lost the election by a landslide. I don’t understand the weird political inertia in America that guarantees every major candidate roughly half the votes no matter what. And fuck those who say that a lot of Americans didn’t vote, as though that exonerates them. Choosing not to vote means they didn’t give a fuck if fascists took over.
And fuck those who say that a lot of Americans didn’t vote, as though that exonerates them.
The US disenfranchises voters with a variety of techniques. One of those techniques is to foster guarantee popular candidates aren’t afforded a place on the general election ballot.
If you’ve got nobody to vote for, I can’t blame you for not voting. Demanding people participate in a ritualized farce of democracy when the race is uncontested is pure foolishness.
This like all the other trade that is disappearing to the EU is going to become a permanent change. Prior allies now view the US as an enemy and aggressor and are forming alternative routes of trade. This will not be returning just because the president is changed in the future. The relationship is over.
I can only hope that the US snaps back hard managing to show the world that there are still good people here…maybe after civil war 2 electric boogaloo
Unless there is a Nuremberg style trial for the current administration, I don’t know how America can gain back it’s trust.
Even if Americans elect a president that is super helpful/generous to allies, there is always the chance that they elect another Trump in the following election who basically has almost free reign to do anything they want with no consequences.
The constitution that Americans beat over everyone’s heads has been revealed to be republican toilet paper.
Yeah, Trump has exposed how broken the American system is. He’s exposed American as completely incapable, or unwilling, of preventing a criminal enterprise from running the country into the ground.
I can’t believe Russio somehow won the cold war after all this time, for all the red scare anti communist shit this country went through, they now resemble Russian style oligarchy run by criminals more and more, how soon before Trump starts another war to justify why he needs to remain in power
Most of the good people that don’t just flee would be dead after a Civil War 2, leaving only proficient killers and crooks, or just cowards who keep their noses down. Large swathes of the country would be, for decades at least, one of “those places” that you never travel to and hear tales of barbarism from every now and then. Civil war would be a degradation, not a redemption arc.
lol, still won’t be true after a civil war
Yeah that’s what I think as well, because Trump is just a symptom of a larger issue, he represents a large percentage of americans, especially amonght the rich, he did not get to this position without the backing of these greedy fascist pigs who know they can use him to make a lot of profit at the expense of the common people, even when he’s gone, these foreign nations still have to deal with these greedy sociopaths and their meddling in foreign affairs, not to mention the dumb voting public who might just back another little Nazi who makes them feel good about themselves
I was thinking the other day how funny it is that the Untied States has had such wide influence that multiple IPs from other countries got movies made in America (Harry Potter, Smurfs, LEGO, The Handmaid’sTale). Now that Trump has ruined America’s relationship with the rest of the world, I wonder if we’ll see less of that
I’m trying to use as few american products as I can. It is nit easy as they have infected everyday life too much.
Not buying Nestlé is much simpler
Same, and i live here lmao
Nestle is evil but Swiss
Good, that’s the point.
Fuck Gretzky wines in particular.
part of me wants to go to Brantford and accidentally bump into all the Gretzky wines at the LCBO
“Put our booze back on your shelves! Also we don’t care and we don’t need you.”
I’m from Maine and took a road trip to Halifax, Nova Scotia recently. I stopped in a licquor store (the LC) and jokingly asked the cashiers where the bourbon was. They got a good chuckle out of that one.
Rideau Whiskey may not say it’s Bourbon on the bottle, but there’s bourbon in the bottle. Because of some dumb laws you can’t call it bourbon unless it’s made a certain region in the US, sort of like champagne. So we actually do have bourbon, even if it’s not called that.
Give it a gew years and we can maybe start repealing that legislation. No NAFTA? No more preferred trademarks.
It’s kind of like how sparking wine must come from the Champagne region of France to be termed Champagne.
Bourbon is just a naming convention for corn whiskey. I’m just finding out based on your post that Rideau Whiskey is in my neck of the woods, and I will have to try it! BRBN from Okanagan Spirits has been our recent treat - my husband really loves bourbon and this has hit the mark
Oof, it’s $60 now, it was $40 when I bought a couple of bottles of it. It’s kinda weird because I can’t find it on the LCBO site, I had to order it online.
I like it better than Wild Turkey or Maker’s. Not sure if I’d consider it to be high end tho.
Clan Colla (from Ireland tho, not Canada) is really good, better than Booker’s (which used to be my favourite) IMO. But that’s super hard to get, I happened to pick up a bottle of it at the Dublin airport and now in my circle we consider it to be the best. Which is kind of a problem since it’s so hard to get.
Heres the legal requirements:
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51+% corn
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Aged in new, charred oak barrels
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Produced in the U.S.
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And then the generic proof ones.
So no, not every corn whisky is a Bourbon, although they may taste the same.
Well it tastes like bourbon to me, so I don’t really what it’s called :P
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Too bad you didn’t take the opportunity to drink some Legendario, my favourite (so far) Cuban rum. Had my buddy in Nova Scotia bring me some a few months ago when he was coming out. Wish they sold it it my area but sadly they do not. Happily however I have friends
It’s fine stuff but if money is no object I’d rather have actual whiskey (with an ‘e’) anyway.
Who could have foreseen this?
Oh, wait, we all could I’m sorry I have stroke nice doggy
And we all foresee things getting worse, yet it’s still being allowed to happen
false. the US administration is on record saying they don’t need us.
do you doubt dear leader?
Canada did not cause anything…the usa did.
Oh no, the boycott we initiated with the explicit intention of causing DEVASTATING HARM is causing devastating harm. Fie on intended consequences!!!
Oh, nice glad it’s working! ps fuck you
