Around here employers gets to pay trillions if they even put themselves in the position of snooping on employee data , like location, without a distinct need for each individual they snoop on.
I am curious, because the Teams hate is pretty substantial here, what are the reasons you hate Teams. I feel besides it’s Microsoft (!) and it is a resource hugger plus why tf do I need a second app telling me I have a meeting besides the main one (outlook) it’s okayish? Maybe because I was never allowed to try alternatives? Please, tell me
Because Microsoft, and just the constant little BS problems I’m always having with it. Which are probably a result of being subjected to Microsofts shit QA processes. They’re always changing shit with it while the problems that have been there for years keep occurring. Also my work decided we don’t need actual desk phones because Teams calls work just as well (they don’t).
I don’t think I hate teams for the same reason as most on this site. My gripe is the stability issues. Just at my department alone there are 20 different issues per teams. Some range from buttons working after a few presses to teams just bsod the device. On my laptop teams has a memory leak and which is persistent. I have to clear teams every week or it will not even start up anymore
We have teams. It sucks. They’re going to make us use it for phone calls soon.
The phone calls part is one of the better parts at least for me) for Teams. It has it’s own number, works on all the devices, can forward, and works well. I don’t want to carry a work phone, and don’t want a desk phone in the office (even though we have ones that connect to Teams). If there is a better solution that’s ‘cheaper’ all for it, but seems pretty sold.
You must not have ever had to get through a phone tree while you were conferenced with someone.
My issue with it is people using their computers for calls; we have cheap ass dell laptops and there are always echoes and lags in the audio. When they finally set us up, I’m going to make sure all my calls are routed to my cell phone.
Seems like malicious compliance would be using the shitty service and giving them the shitty quality connection they asked for.
And I need to have a teams mtg this afternoon, so I fired it up, and……it didn’t work. Spent the obligatory 15 minutes on the phone with the help desk; we’ll see what happens.
Oh that makes sense, I typically use a headset and avoid the built in trash that most laptops have and it seems to work pretty well.
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“Users may hate”
Sweetly, we already hate everything MS. Take a wild guess…
Management on the other hand …
Am management. Still hate it. Costs a fucking fortune, sprawls beyond any reasonable control, fucking impossible to secure, every product has its own operating model and support, it changes every month, and the notion of leaving it is absurd. It is a disease that everyone is infected with and their sales people will never let you go. Also, it’s not like I can log into a central portal and see my employees on a map or something. I can’t see their searches, their teams chats, nothing really. Maybe HR could if they weren’t in the parking lot eating old cigarette butts or whatever it is they do.
Its like herpes.
Yep, not to mention it’s a basic messaging program, but it regularly uses 1-2gb of ram on a lot of machines at my workplace. Had a coworker vibe code a lightweight version (terminal based), he pretty easily got it down to 80ish mb, and it mostly worked (the whole thing was mostly for shits and giggles, but surprisingly usable).
Teams is anything but a basic messaging app. Over the last few years Microshit kept integrating most of their office suit into it instead of keeping their standalone apps working beyond Excel and Word. Now you have chats, teams, calls, calendar, SharePoint, planner, to-do, power BI and a million other things in one place, and only 90% of them don’t work properly.
Besides, the new™ Teams is pretty much just an instance of edge with 10+ tabs open den being on the amount of addins your company has. The entire app is literally just build in edge webview, its a reskinned browser with slightly more privileges.
Oh, I agree, I just found it rather funny that a random person was able to bring down teams ram usage without much trouble, something that Microsoft doesn’t seem to care about. Teams really needs just to be paired back to messaging and video/audio calls, all of the other stuff just aren’t used.
Users as in (office) workers. I cast a enormous doubt that there is no living person who chose Teams over literally any other messaging app just to use it for their main way of communication outside of their workspace.
I am logged in through vpn and use the web version. Microslop sucks
I was at Shiny Night at one of the local Seattle furry bars a little while back and wound up hanging out with a bunch of folks in really well articulated fursuits talking shop. Eventually, as it does with any group of devs, the topic drifted to the classic game of “who hates Teams the most” and unfortunately it turned out the people I was drinking with:
1- Were mostly M$ developers working on Teams doing their ‘team bonding’ polycule thing.
2- Hate teams more than I could possibly ever manage. I mean, you think you hate teams? You think it’s unmanagable, insecure, convoluted and a pain in the ass for your IT crew? Imagine what the backend for that disaster must look like, then make that your entire day job. My god, it was a level of vitriol matched only by discussing Deutsche Bhan with a group of drunk Germans…
Basically, Microsoft Places and Teams have received workplace check-ins via Wi-Fi. The idea is that if an employee arrives at the office and connects to their enterprise network, their profile status indicator will show them as being present in the office.
Joke’s on you. My work is so stingy, they don’t offer WiFi to employees. Also, I’ve blocked location permissions in Teams, just in case.
God damn I hate this universe, why is technology a tool to create new shackles instead of breaking old ones
Because it makes the people at the top more powerful.
im sure there ar eother ways of tracking thier progress, like thier work/projects done on a deadline. its more or less a control issue.
Since teams is for connecting people remotely (office to office, office to other departments, etc) what sense does this make?
Being “in office” has nothing to do with my location.
Microsoft sucks so much.
Easier to control if your employee is actually at the office instead of working from home.
It’s not like the pandemic proved most office jobs could actually be done remotely…
it reduces the need to manually update your status, and it also enables co-workers to know that you’re at work so that they can coordinate in-person meetings with you.
They’re not even trying with these weak ass justifications anymore. Are either of these things an actual problem for anyone?
“Hey are you in the office” works well, too.
But IME if I am, they are just lining up at my door anyway and I can’t focus on actual work. At least when I WFH, I can ignore “hey you got a sec?” until I actually do.
“Hey are you in the office” is too much social interaction for the antisocial mindset of techbros it’d seem
My status is permanently set to Away so that people don’t bother me with stupid questions like “are you in the office”, although for some reason teams randomly resets my status to green every couple of weeks until I notice the increase in stupid questions.
If it’s a new Teams feature I’m going to hate it regardless of what it does. MS doesn’t make software for human beings any more.
I too have a hard time seeing management as human,
We aren’t. When you humans are busy working, we go to the basement and eat the remants of your souls.
We also go to a lot of pointless meetings.
It will also introduce 50 new product-breaking bugs
Was there ever a MS Teams feature anyone actually liked? Seems like the whole product is based on loathing.
Teams isn’t made for the users.
I can’t for the life of me figure out who it is for.
Management wanting to track your activity, Microsoft wanting your data,…
Teams is a part of Office365. It has been widely utilized in corporate establishments.
Doubt any mere mortals would use it as their primary way of communication.
Features Microsoft wants to push and features companies want. It’s widely used because IT departments can just buy Office 365 and have all of the office apps and support for however they’re hosting the rest of their office 365 apps but that doesn’t mean it’s good
Good to remember that the client for Teams isn’t you - it’s your IT department
Lol, are you kidding? IT gets to experience the suck of using it, and of administrating it. For as bad as the front end of Microsoft stuff is, the back end is usually worse.
Wtf are you on about administering teams is braindead
It’s one of the better ones, and basic functionality is braindead, but I’ve definitely found some pain points.
- My work requires us to use company branded video chat backgrounds 🤮. Whatever way my co-worker deployed them, they aren’t available through the mobile app.
- There’s a feature to create unified groups (Teams groups) with membership lists hidden from non-members. It is only available through PowerShell.
- Got users that want to use their group like a distribution list? They all have to personally choose to subscribe to incoming email. You can set the group to auto-subscribe new members, but subscribing existing members requires some basic PowerShell fuckery.
- Sharepoint backend for file sharing. Less said about that shit the better.
- If a user’s display name updates, how it syncs to different places that display their name in Teams and how long that takes is inconsistent as all hell.
- Better hope you never get a ticket from your legal team to pull chat history. Pain in the ass to do, horrid fucking output format.
- No way I’ve found to disable the damn upsell “Get Premium” button. Granted I haven’t checked in a while.
Valid complaints but its why IT teams have to fight these random ass requirements because its a trivial small seeming suggestion but takes so much time, generates so many issues. Of course that only works if your company is structured in a way where they respect ITs input.
No, it’s upper management. I don’t give a fuck what you’re doing all day as long as it doesn’t create security vulnerabilities in the environment
It’s for CSuite that doesn’t wanna pay for slack but sees teams bundled in office and says “good enough”
Well to be fair slack is quite expensive, and getting worse every year. Both in price and usability.
They recently cribbed the Catch Up feature directly from Slack. I’m a big fan of that. Come up with a good feature on their own? Nah.
I mean, that has been Microsoft’s MO for their entire existence. With the exception of maybe some versions of Visual Studio, everything they have done was see what they can copy off their competitors.
Wasn’t the original Visual Studio just Borland Turbo C++ with a non-ascii GUI?
If your whole ecosystem is in azure, it kind of works. Similar to gsuite
… For the admin. It’s easy for the admin. That’s not the users.
I bet some employers love that shit. They are Microslop Teams‘ main customers. Making our life miserable is a feature.
Users “may” hate?
Many also do not care, unfortunately.
Let’s not get that Lemmy echo chamber vibe where a few dozen of us agree that millions of Windows users don’t exist.
Many also do not care, unfortunately.
Meh. It’s a work thing and corporate bobbleheads say I need to use it. Then they’ll pay for me to wait for their mandated things to start/connect/work/do whatever. It’s mostly usable enough to get my shit done, it randomly shows whatever status on my account which I couldn’t care less. And the moment I log off I don’t care if the place is literally on fire.
It’s after all just work and nothing more. There are way more important things in life.
Hell, most people don’t know the difference between a search engine and a browser
Yeah, the vast majority of people barely even know how to use a web browser. They won’t care about (or even notice) this change.
It’s not like people have a choice lol what are you going to do find a company using slack
Microsoft says that this feature is basically a replacement for physical workplace check-in peripherals, it reduces the need to manually update your status
Considering how much I have to manually fix my regular teams status, I have doubts as to how effective this will be.
It would be very useful me to know if a colleague is in the office or not without the need to message them and wait for answer.
But yes, I have to fix my status roughly once per day, so I have doubt this feature will work properly.
It would be very useful me to know if a colleague is in the office or not without the need to message them and wait for answer.
But if you know they’re in the office, aren’t you then going to message them and wait for an answer?
