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    Should be noted that in Norway it is not just for war, but rather any emergency like natural disasters or someone takes out critical infrastructure in a digital attack etc.

    You can see all the information that is sent out here: https://www.sikkerhverdag.no/en/

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    Norway also advises residents to stock up on essential medicines – including iodine tablets, in case of a nuclear incident – and, like Sweden, recommends that people have several bank cards and keep a ready supply of cash at home.

    Iodine is something that’s hard to get in modern diets, which is why salt is iodized.

    Our body uses it in our thyroid, and atomic weapons send out a shit ton of fallout. A significant amount is radioactive iodine, which is going to be hanging around for a while.

    If your body picks it up, you now have a radioactive element accumulating in your throat, which is a pretty bad place to store a radioactive mass.

    If you don’t have iodine tablet, eat a crazy amount of iodized salt. You want to make sure if your body runs into radioactive iodine, it’s already full up and can’t hold anymore.

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        You could just buy iodine tablets now…

        But the high blood pressure from salt might kill you decades later.

        A radioactive thyroid would make you wish for death as your lower jaw rots away and eventually falls off.

        Don’t half ass it because of a fear of heart disease. A large dose kills cells in your thyroid (still terrible) a moderate dose wouldn’t kill the cells but almost guarantee rapid onset cancer.

        It’s why the tablets aren’t “enough that your body needs” they’re “a literal insane amount”. Like take your daily requirement times 3-5 years level of crazy.

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          Also, I’m pretty sure they have an expiration date. If it’s life or death, I would not trust them very far past that date. I don’t think they’d be harmful, just less effective.

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      If you have enough radiation to ever need iodine tablets, there’s probably a hundred other reasons that threaten your livelihood.

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        That’s not true at all. Fallout can be carried by wind over very long distances. And even a small amount of radioactive iodine accumulative in the body can be an issue.

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          It’s more the fact that a war situation where nuclear weapons are used so frequently that the average person will need tablets will also see shortages of food, water and created large flows of refugees.

          Basically every bit of modern infrastructure would collapse, which would be far more impactful and urgent than iodine pills.

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            Again, you have it wrong.

            where nuclear weapons are used so frequently that the average person will need tablets

            All it takes is one nuke to go off and winds to carry the fallout to relatively stable countries far away.

            But let’s say that you are dealing with some level of societal collapse from nuclear war. You still need iodine. Without it, it won’t matter if you secure food, water, and shelter, because you’ll get some aggressive cancer and die anyways.

            Regardless of the specifics, iodine is important.

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    Governments are preparing for war because they want one. Cut the military budget to 0 and drive off lunatic politicians before it’s to late.

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      There’s some truth to this. One does need a military, but you don’t need one that costs 2T a year. Canada and Mexico, combined, spend around 35 billion a year on war material, and both have universal health care.

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      Unfortunately a strong military is necessary to maintain peace

      It might sound contradictory at first but you should consider that people will always disagree. And if you and your neighboring country disagree and they have 20x more military power than you, they might be inclined to use force to solve your differences

      The only thing that allows you to have a civil and diplomatic discussion is the assurance that war is the worst of the options. As we see today, strong military nations are not afraid to abuse weaker military powers.

      I understand the hate towards the production of weapons, and I’m with you. But defunding the military is a simplistic, utopian argument that unfortunately would not work in the present time

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        I’ve never seen a more polite and constructive way to call someone a naive idiot ;)

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        Unfortunately a strong military is necessary to maintain peace

        Peace is maintain by seeking peace and avoid conflict not by spending billions of dollars in weapons that in most cases are designed to attack and kill other people.

        they might be inclined to use force to solve your differences

        And that’s why you want to cut the military budget to 0 so that there’s no leverage to use force against others. According to your logic people will always disagree? So ban nukes and weapons before everyone kill each others, putting a gun in everyone hands is going to lead to a bloodbath not to peace.

        As we see today, strong military nations are not afraid to abuse weaker military powers.

        Again cut the military budget to 0 so that your nation doesn’t abuse weaker military powers.

        I understand the hate towards the production of weapons, and I’m with you. But defunding the military is a simplistic, utopian argument that unfortunately would not work in the present time

        You sound like you are making an apology to war and authoritarian nations. You are not with me and you are not with the human race, you are against it. What’s utopian is to believe that you can achieve peace by spending Trillions of dollars in war. What’s simplistic is to believe that you can’t do without a government tossing billions of public money into military weapons.

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          I’m very curious as to what your suggested course of action would be if you were to “cut the military budget to 0”, and then another nation with a strong military uses their military to abuse or murder the citizens of your nation because they disagree with your nation in some way…

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            You don’t need military budget to defend yourself. Governments need military budget to gain power and attack others.

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              If your country has zero weapons and my country has some weapons, what’s your plan for stopping your country becoming an extension of mine, and your culture, language and history becoming lost forever?

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        You chickenhawks are always so loud and self-righteous, until someone wants to force you or your kid to actually go fight in the war.

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          On the contrary, I would rather NOT go to war. You know what’s the best way to get that to happen? Have a strong enough military that bullies like Putin and Xinnie will think very very carefully before launching a ‘special military operation’ into your country.

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            You know what’s the best way to get that to happen? Have a strong enough military

            History, at least in the US, does not support your position on this. Hell, the US has rebranded what war means so we can get involved in even more foreign conflicts and kill more civilians. (“Enemy combatant” and “peacekeeping actions”)

            At one point under Obama and Trump the US was at war in seven different countries. (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen.)

            And people call it a bad thing that Trump got us out of Syria and Afghanistan, lol.

            Our military is not a tool of peace. It’s a weapon for corporate interests to brandish throughout the world.

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        Don’t forget the postcard to Russia inviting them over for tea

        You must have confused me for a german politician

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      Wow. A new account with a history of negative posts. Color me shocked.

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          Without looking at posters history, he is kinda right (about the gas guzzling, not fear mongering)

          EU had years to start to diversify/start goverment run energy supply from a) polluting and b) “come on, look what laws they were implementing at home” Russia.

          Could have put two and two together and realise that funding Putin might not be the best idea…

          But no, let’s just keep buying things from obvious dictators…