What’s keeping people from demanding it?

  • bstix@feddit.dk
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    11 hours ago

    For people to demand anything you’ll need a democracy. For people to want universal healthcare they need to understand that socializing the health cost is a benefit for the population.

    Add the words together and you get social democracy.

    In most countries this is what lead to universal healthcare. In most countries the social democracy parties were founded by labour unions.

    Despite USA being first with labour unions, they never really succeeded, because they were violently struck down early on.

    Anyway, it’s that simple: Join a union, let the union establish a political party, let the party make universal healthcare. I know that seems very uphill, but it doesn’t actually have to take centuries to do.

    When the first unions were formed in Europe, the workers also expected it to be a multigenerational battle, and yet decided to try it in the vague hope that it might eventually benefit their grandchildren. However they were so successful that they achieved the goal within their own lifetime.

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      You’re also missing the vital context that it was the soviet union being right next door, with their massive expansions in social safety nets, that forced western countries into capitulating to worker demands. It also misses that these safety nets in western countries are funded by imperialism, creating a domestic working class with class interests aligned with imperialism, rather than against it.

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    23 hours ago

    Regulatory capture. The government is funded by the medical insurance companies. The people haven’t demanded it because they’ve been told it’s not an option. It’s impossible, too expensive, a fantasy.

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    Capitalists control the political system of the US. Its not a democracy, it’s a capitalist dictatorship.

    What health-care systems it used to have, were only to quell decades of worker struggles fighting for equivalent health care systems the USSR was putting in place in the 1920s.

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    Like most of these kinds of problems, the answer can be boiled down to a simple commonality: The people who stand to lose the most from things changing for the better are the same people who have the most power to influence the outcomes. The only thing that can counter that is a strong labor movement.

    Now, there is a more complicated question to be asked about why US labor movements have been less successful than their European counterparts, but that I don’t have an easy answer for.

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      The second thing is actually pretty easy to answer. The same people from the first part of your answer have also been using their outsized power and influence to erode the power and influence of unions over time. Many actions taken by European unions would be considered illegal in America and met with violent state oppression. While Europe has maintained many of their labor rights from the turn of the 20th century, America’s labor rights have been rolled back to almost before the new deal. Most unions barely have the right to strike, and even when they can that power is exceptionally limited. Basically any effective labor action in the US would require people to accept that they are breaking the law, and will likely die, sustain life altering injury, or go to jail for it. Since most Americans that would benefit from strong unions are living in oppressive poverty to begin with they either see the risks of illegal labor action as too large, or have been propagandized against it.

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        21 hours ago

        Yeah, but why did it turn out differently like that? Europe surely had its own class of capitalists and other entrenched interests. They could have pushed for similar suppression measures.

        Maybe it had something to do with the difference in fallout from WWII? Idk. I’m not super well read on this subject in particular, so I don’t know enough to do anything but speculate.

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        I feel the unionds themselves kinda lost their way in the 80’s and only recovered in the millenium. Rather than pushing to lower worktime and expanding their ranks they focused more on exclusivity and bookoo overtime.

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    Why didn’t nazi Germany have universal healthcare?

    What kept people from demanding it?

    • bstix@feddit.dk
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      … because they did have it?

      It wasn’t universal at the time, covering only the poorest workers, but Germany was the first country to establish a social health care system in 1883. It didn’t work very well during the war, but it was technically still there. Since the war, they gradually expanded it achieving universal coverage sometime in the 1980s.

  • SilentKnight1369@lemmy.world
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    Isreal, sorry not sorry. America sends isreal 300 billion every year as a donation… The get paid $600 to have a kid and get $1’800 for every child they have. We dont have free health car because they do… Just think about that for a minute.

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    Follow the money: the current system makes more sense for private insurers, pharma, and large healthcare providers who all benefit from things staying as they are.

    But it’s not just about corporations. The US also built its system around employer-based insurance back in World War II, and now healthcare is tied to your job. That creates risk: leaving your job can mean losing coverage, which naturally makes people more cautious and dependent on poor employment. This also makes people more cautious about starting up a business so the economy becomes controlled in the hands of a few - and so more oligarchic

    There’s also a cultural angle. In the US, “freedom” is often seen as freedom from government involvement, even if that sometimes means less practical freedom (like being unable to change jobs easily), and the individual spending more on insurance than they would on taxes.

    So it’s not one single reason - it’s money, history, and mindset all reinforcing each other.

    Rigidity and social control also show up in other countries with strategies like high housing costs.

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      This isn’t any exaggeration: it has been demonstrated using statistical analysis

      Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.

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    Seriously? Because that’s money flowing in the “wrong” direction, that is away from billionaires’ pockets.

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      This is literally all there is to it, along with indentured servitude by tying insurance to employment on top of it. This country’s fucked up healthcare system keeps the billionaires happy and the people stuck appeasing them.

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    The powerful have convinced the masses that paying a single dime extra in taxes is just about the worst thing you could be forced to do, including whatever happened on that Island. So the common people are unable to reconcile that everyone paying higher taxes will make healthcare better for everyone. Normal people get to stay sick, poor, and rely on GoFundMe or die prematurely while the powerful laugh and count their money. It’s a fucking GRIFT.

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    Medicare for all and legal pot both have had an around 70% approval rate for about a decade now. The government simply doesnt care because those things do not make the right people rich. Studies have shown the US gov doesn’t respond to its voters, it responds to its financiers. It honest to god never mattered what we thought.

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        Congress represents capitalists and works for them, not the working classes. Any plan that cannot address the class conflict and the nature of the capitalist state instruments to uphold their class interests is doomed to fail.

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          There is no current organization of the working class to counter capitalist demands. Without organization, the working class will be kept powerless.

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                All of the working class has part of the responsibility for the lack of organization, not just the organizations, it’s a two way relationship. PSL is trying a lot so that even myself that isn’t from the USA knows them, perhaps you not knowing that acronym is a fault in your own part.

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                  All of the working class has part of the responsibility for the lack of organization

                  The time I tried applying they ghosted me for over a month, then I finally got an interview, and they ghosted me after that indefinitely. Later the same chapter defended a cop arresting a protestor against a rearrest which upset a lot of smaller leftist orgs (keep in mind this is the same general area the Prarieland protest occurred), and now the national organization is promoting anti-datacenter protests with literally no context which I’m not sure how that’s supposed to help their popularity. Also their opsec is terrible as well, I mentioned that I have technical skills during the interview but they didn’t seem interested in that.

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                  I know of the Working Families Party and that party has had some success either winning their own election or running as Democrats.

                  A major job of a political party is to organize. If a party can’t organize while other ones can, maybe I shouldn’t support the party which can’t organize.

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    “why isn’t the crumbling fascist imperial regime providing me healthcare?” is a question that answers itself OP

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    Because the politicians who could allow it are bribed by health insurance lobbyists to not allow it. There’s a lot of money at stake for a relative few people, and they’ll do anything to not risk it.

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    In the USA, there is little corruption officially; that’s only because bribery is legal. Billionaires, Corporations, Banks and even other nations like Saudi Arabia can “contribute” huge amounts of money without even revealing who they are.

    Insurers, drug manufacturers and other interested parties “donate” many millions of dollars through these Super PACs and shell companies to keep things as they like them.

    The voters are too busy juggling low-wage jobs to compete with the multi-generational wealth accumulators; on top of this, they pay more taxes in more ways than any other generation before.

    Our representatives won’t bite the hand that feeds them willingly, and are legally protected to continue doing so.

    People’s standard of living and life spans are shrinking as a result. See Citizens United, Super PACs, Panama Papers and Pandora Papers for more details.

    There’s so much, unions squashed, down to 10% of workforce and those are mostly police and government ironically. Check out Patriot Act if you wonder why there’s so little organizing. The FED haha it never ends