Mental illness.
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Using AI therepy providers really isn’t recommended! There’s no accountability built in for AI therapy chatbots and their efficacy when placed under professional review has been really not great. These models may seem like they are dispensing hard truths - because humans are often primed to not believe more optimistic or gentle takes thinking them to be explicitly flattering and thus false. Runaway negativity feels true but it can lead you to embrace unhealthy attitudes towards your self and others. AI runs with the assumptions you go in with in part because these models are designed from an engagement first perspective. They will do whatever keeps you on the hook whether or not it is actually good for you. You might think you are getting quality care but unless you are a trained professional you are not actually equipped to know if the help you are getting is of good quality only that it feels validating to you. If it errs there is no consequences to the provider like professionals who have a code of ethics and licencing boards that can conduct investigation for bad practices.
Once AI discovers whatever you report back to it you think is correct it will continue to use that tactic. Essentially it is tricking you into being your own unqualified therepist.
https://hai.stanford.edu/news/exploring-the-dangers-of-ai-in-mental-health-care
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-ai-therapy-can-be-so-dangerous/
I don’t recommend treating a chatbot as a romantic partner or friend but if you want to do it, it’s pretty easy. Just pretend you’re texting a friend or romantic partner and talk the same way you would to them
Sadly?
I would imagine they’d do it like a total moron. It’s the only way it can be done.
are you asking how other people can do this, or are you asking how to do it yourself?
Idk what the OP meant, but I’m asking how?
I wish I could use it to make lonelyness easier but talking to one as with a partner is impossible. It’s so obviously a dumb bot. It will say anything I want it to say. I can’t feel an emotional connection to that.
It’s not my thing but I think it’s to do with the context window. Like if you continue the same “chat” it’s responses might feel more like it knows you.
I remember there was an update or something and people lost that long-standing context window and they were legit complaining like “you murdered by girlfriend” and the fix was to get the model to read the last / closed chat into the new chat and people were like “wow she came back”.
Obviously, to a healthy well adjusted adult who engages in appropriate social interactions, this type of thing can’t emulate that. However, I can see how this type of thing could be a soothing balm for loneliness in the future.
If you are superficial and care more about validation and agreement than partnership and empathy, I imagine AI is great at that. I’ll bet there are a lot of folks that want nothing more from a relationship than AI can give. And they are apparently happy and probably making other people happy by not making them find out the hard way what they are about.
Yeah but thats exactly what a Bannon-made 4chan incel wants.
Not a doctor, but psychologically speaking, it’s due to loneliness, and a job that’s not secure.
I am lonely and have a shitty job that I could lose any given day, but I can’t talk to an AI like a person. I think it’s mostly ignorance of how they work and some people believe that LLMs can actually think and possibly even feel.
It doesn’t help when you get AI engineers claiming that the AI they worked on is actually sentient.
That’s because the engineer claiming that was clearly under some heavy substances, I would imagine (rich people will do that). On top of that, people claim one’s speaking to a devil (it’s a religious trick) when using AI, but it will be in society whether we like it or not.
Sometimes a person’s brain is only capable of operating in a conversation mode. Full, natural language sentences. Or sentence fragments (like these), I guess.
Then there’s the fact that some people can’t discern the line between the artificial and the real, or else are able to ignore it where they can see it because the LLM makes that easy.
I occasionally bounce ideas off free LLMs and I’ve been mostly conversational when I’ve done so, but I’m aware of things like 1) it’s a crutch 2) they’re mostly wrong about a lot of things and 3) any praise they give is invalid, so I’m not yet into the trap of thinking they’re people.
… but I still feel kind of bad if I drop a conversation when I’m done with it without saying goodbye.
You guys don’t know what loneliness can do to a man.
I’m so alone that back in time I wished I had schizophrenia and a real-imaginary friend to talk with.
With AI this is basically true, you just need to believe it’s true, it’s like induced schizophrenia.
I don’t talk to any AI but I don’t judge who does.
As someone who went through a large part of adult life single, I know exactly what loneliness can and does do to a person.
But I also know that the solution to loneliness is not to jump into a pit of delusion and self-isolation, but to work on yourself (mentally, physically, and emotionally), to put yourself out there sociall (through hobbies, classes, work, clubs, making friends offline and online, etc), and to generally touch grass and gradually work on building relationships with other real human beings.
Have you ever seen that Star Trek TNG episode where Lt. Barkley is caught using the holodeck to fantasize about socializing with other people on the ship?
Coping mechanisms are fine to some degree, but spending your finite time and energy forming a fake relationship with a corporate technological entity isn’t going to create meaningful change in your life.
Live how you want. But in my opinion, we’re better off learning how to be happy alone than deluding yourself.
i’m kind of going through this myself recently…it’s a weird experience, have basically been an american otaku the last 15 years or so i guess. combine that with (high-functioning) autism and adhd…i’m seriously terrible at human interaction now and I’m not even really sure how much is the fucked brain chemistry and how much is the long-term social isolation.
also, not to detract from your example but was shown multiple times that the holograms were/could become sentient…which kind of undermines that plotline, i feel
I get it. And I know that feeling alone sucks.
On the other hand, there are plenty of other American otaku, myself included! There are more than enough to find other people to be social with.
I reccomend looking for geek related events and gatherings in your nearest city, conventions, movie screenings, barcades, hobby groups, and so on. My city (Portland) has all kinds of otaku stuff going on all the time. I went to a 3 hour long screening of the entirety of Gunbuster, and it was a full house, with people selling art, DVDs, and model kits in the lobby. Even making friends online has meaning, and If you can find likeminded people online who are local to you, you might be able to turn online relationships into offline ones. There is no shortage of nerds out there I promise.
But actually talking to people is the harder part, right?
No joke… if you shower, wear clean clothes and a neutral antiperspirant, and figure out something nice to say to people (a simple compliment like “I love your shirt!” is a easy ice breaker and sets you up for a follow up conversation), it’s a great way to practice being social. Make sure that your attitude is positive and try to avoid making people feel bad, stupid, ugly, etc.
Now… Not every social interaction is going to turn into a lasting relationship, and some of them might be awkward. (Occasionally a subset of people are going to be rude jerks for seemingly no reason, but that’ll actually a bigger problem for them then it is for you.) So I don’t recommend socializing with a specific goal, like finding a girlfriend, in mind.
You’re much better off trusting the process and simply trying to amass small social victories. For example, asking someone how their week is going, learning somebody’s name who you see often, complementing someone, joining a new group, etc.
I’m in my late 30s and I’ve made some personal social milestones that I’m proud of over the last few years, so I think it’s never too late to improve your social situation.
Good luck, man.
You guys don’t know what loneliness can do to a man.
You’re right. Lately, I’ve even thought about dying instantly and without fear, but part of me wants to live, and part of me doesn’t, and it’s been like that for five years now. At first, I thought about putting a bullet in my forehead, but now I’m thinking about dying instantly from a nuclear explosion so that I don’t even have a chance to think about resisting.
It’s not worth it. Some parts of life suck ass, but the good parts exist and are worth it.
Instead of killing yourself, try to “kill” your expectations and ego. “Kill” the idea of the person you need to be or the live you need to live.
Consider Diogenes, who lived happily like a dog in the market of classical Athens, because he understood that the things that society prescribed value are arbitrary and artificial. He felt no pressure to be or achieve anything in particular–he simply lived, like the animal that he understood himself to be.
The social pressures and forces that bother us today are likely just as arbitrary and artificial as the ones that Diogenes faced. A simple change of philosophy maybe be all you need.
Finally, you should also consider the chemical aspect of your emotions, and that your depression may be caused or exacerbated by an imbalance of natural chemicals in your brain. It’s worth seeking medical advice from a psychiatrist to see if drugs can help you.
you should probably see a therapist/psychiatrist…believe it or not most people don’t feel this way.
and if that feeling detracts from your ability to improve yourself/get better, you might just need a little chemical help to sorta jumpstart your brain up enough so you can work on improving yourself.
I don’t and I encourage you not to. I found that the people I know who did ended up quite unfriendly ; I found a non-judgmental group of people to throw my life questions at, leftist spaces are good starting places to find this if you’re respectful.
There’s also the cases where AI encouraged people to [TW]
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commit suicide
So many cases like that… and the developers claim they remove the ability for AI to
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promote suicide, but then I see in the news that it keeps on happening. It makes me wonder how on Earth the conversation leads there, because if you start going 'im depressed and i want to commit suicide" it goes “i can’t engage with this, please call a helpline”
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How? Just use your imagination. For a more healthy and meaningful relationship, consider forming a close personal friendship with your favourite houseplant instead.
Nice try, Haworthiopsis Attenuata. I know your backstabbing lies.
Same type of people that would have a real doll. There is a mental health crisis unfolding before us but instead of spending money to address it and help, the wrong people are exploiting it to further enrich themselves.
Anything I don’t approve of is mental illness.
Breaking an egg with a fork instead of a spoon is truly a terrible mental illness.
Doll fuckers downvoted lol
Bro I was so struggling to understand what type of doll they were talking about before i saw your comment. “Are we calling all children mentally ill, now?”
When life is void of dopamine, any little bit helps. Hugging a cat, complementing a coworker, or a friendly chat with a stranger.
I didnt understand having a virtual partner or a sex doll until recently. It fills a void. Even though they are fake, humans are good at role-playing and pretending that they are real. The reward for doing so is a bit of dopamine.
However, becoming reliant on these is the problem. They should be taken in small doses, to fulfill a basic need, until that need can be filled elsewhere.
A sex doll can’t do anything my hand can’t, plus it’s expensive as fuck and then you have to clean it. And look at it when you aren’t jerking off. At least your hand can be used for other things.
You do you. Some people want a physical object to fuck and thats ok too.
Sure. No kink shame. I don’t like to spend time on prep or cleanup. I’m definitely not spending big on something my hand does well enough. But I can accept some people find it worth it.
It’s not the fucking a thing I find weird. It’s the investment in time and money. But I also find it weird (but delicious) to spend 12 hours cooking a brisket because that’s a lot of fucking work for a couple of meals.
Worst case scenario, me calling something weird is a pot and kettle situation.
Respect
for real, even simple toys are so much better than your hand.
doesnt compare to the real thing but if your hand is 1 and the real thing is 10, pocket pussy is a solid 6-7.
I only have 1, its a solid 5. Mixing and matching toys, hands, etc. also keeps it interesting.
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If this is a technical question:
Prompt the AI on one of hundreds of available websites: https://perchance.org/ai-artgen Or self-host your AI and prompt that: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui
The above are just for images. I’m sure there are identical counterparts for creating conversation bots.
If this is a question questioning why people do it:
Loneliness? Involuntary isolation/alienation? Dopamine quick fix? Pick your poison.
PS: the below pictures are AI created. I prompted the above website to make me a Lúthien from Tolkien’s world holding a silmaril. Perhaps after it being cut out of the belly of the werewolf Carcharoth and returned to king Thingol, Lúthien took it from her father, the king, snuck out with it at night and in the silent forest of Doriath reminisced the time she spent with her beloved Beren. The blood could indicate her, in her rage and sadness, having slewn a few orcs that had strayed to far into the realm of Thingol.
PS: I hate it when AI art is allowed on forums where actual artists display what they paint and draw. AI is not art. It’s just good fun. Sometimes.
