In short:
A live-stream broadcast of China’s military parade has captured Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin discussing biotechnology’s potential to extend life.
An interpreter translating Mr Putin can be heard saying in Mandarin that human organ transplants could let “us live younger and younger, and perhaps even achieve immortality”.
Mr Xi responded that it may be possible for people to live to 150 years this century.
Gross. Absolutely gross. Powerful old people are already living too long.
God they are so posturing to eachother. Small-egoed dictators.
too bad organ transplants dont make you bulletproof.
I will happily help transplant their organs.
Not without brain transplants
They will head transplant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_transplantArthur Caplan, a bioethicist, has written “Head transplants are fake news. Those who promote such claims and who would subject any human being to unproven cruel surgery merit not headlines but only contempt and condemnation.”[10]
I’m not sure if they will transplant head to another body or to the robot or just make a wolverine with artificial heart. China have it’s own rules.
https://interestingengineering.com/science/china-paralyzed-patients-walk-brain-spinal-implantIf that is really true, they can probably create many more cybernetic devices. Far as keeping dear leader alive that way they would need to keep secrecy of it tight enough that nobody would be aware of it until it was too late.
Damn. They gonna make me retire at 140 then. Shit.
That sounds like the average conversation of a group of guys on their 3rd beer on a Friday afternoon.
Pass the bong.
Or a bunch of morons who have completely lost touch with reality on account of having unchallenged absolute power for far too long.
What being rich and alienated from real people does to a MF.
You see the same thing with silicon valley ceos.
Who also think they’re going to be immortal.
Probably that’s because that’s exactly what this is? They’re watching a parade having a beer. What did we expect?
That’s what I’m trying to convey here
Yeah although these guys have access to an unlimited supply of freshly harvested organs which puts a different spin on it.
I hope they try it. At their age recovering from major surgery will be a breeze. I wish I was on immune suppressants for the rest of my life. Oh and don’t forget another surgery when the organ fails! Sounds like immortality to me
Even better, you know these guys love their Scotch. Lets see how long they can go without indulging after they get that new liver
You never know. Friend of mine had a liver transplant and was completely off the immunosuppressants in 18 months, never took 'em again.
Liver is a weird one. The liver is one of the only organs that can regenerate. Anyone can donate a chunk of their liver. It just regrows after awhile, as well as in the recipient. So livers are better at staying under the radar from the immune system.
Hadn’t thought of that! Yeah, got my first negative results from my liver a few months ago. Cut the bad habits, and not simply beer, tested fine a month later. LOL, my doctor was so proud! Thought I had quite drinking! Nope. Just cut the kratom powder that enabled me to stay up and drink more. :)
Long term heavy drinking is really rough on the body. My cousin’s ex husband recently passed away from drinking. She left him because of if and his kids didn’t want much to do with him. He had been sober for a year and was just talking with my cousin about trying to have a relationship with his kids. It was going well. Then he died. It just doesn’t seem worth the risk.
Apart from the fact that your brain ages too and it’s 100% irreplaceable, the main issue with turning yourself into the human Ship of Theseus is that you’re going to be on immunosuppressant drugs forever.
I guess if you were a monster you could raise clones of yourself to adulthood and then murder them for their body parts. This doesn’t solve the problem of some parts not being reasonably replaceable, but it could protect you from some organ failures.
Apart from the fact that your brain ages too and it’s 100% irreplaceable
Braincells are irreplaceable (barring some experimental stem cell work) but the networks between those brain cells keep growing and intertwining. It’s the network between the cells that defines your mental aptitude. Plenty of stories about people with severe brain damage who still continue to function comparatively normally after a period of recovery and rehabilitation. The human brain is remarkably plastic.
I guess if you were a monster you could raise clones of yourself to adulthood and then murder them for their body parts.
Even that isn’t strictly practical. The failure rate on cloning is enormous. What’s legit more monstrous than killing someone for organs is producing all of the failed clones necessary to land on a copy that’s viable.
Dolly the Sheep was a “successful” clone, and even it didn’t live a particularly long or happy life, being euthanized at half the normal age of a domesticated sheep of her breed due to arthritis and lung disease.
No doubt someone is out there doing human cloning illegally. But I would not bank on it as a viable alternative to simply getting bumped up the organ donor list the old fashioned way.
There are current studies about growing entire organs in a lab environment using 3D printed scaffolding and stem cells harvested from the patient, so the final product is 100% compatible and eliminates the need for immunosuppressants.
Still a few decades out for human testing imo but they’d be the first in line.
If we figure that out, artificial blood (which is already making good progress) and finally a way to regenerate brain cells without causing massive brain tumors we can extend life considerably, probably closer to 200 years on extreme cases.
Or, at least, making it to 110 while still having a good quality of life, basically making 100 the new 60.
Lol, lmfao
They can’t even give us a relatively nontoxic living environment and adaptive and responsive nutrition plans
Not to mention there has NEVER been a patient who has had MULTIPLE 3D printed organ transplants, let alone continuous transplants PRN (the suture sites are going to be dissolving scar tissue). And that 3D printed organs are extremely complicated especially depending on which one is being built, with their own cellular memory including circadian rhythm and local homeostasis.
Not to mention that merely transplanting an organ does not mean the patient will have adequate neurochemicals or enzymes or receptors to carry out the processes needed to support these organs, regardless of supplementation
Like certain conditions, at end of life, oppose each other especially in treatment. Eg congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema, and kidney failure all interfere and interact with each other. Assuming you could successfully perform a lung, heart, and kidney transplant in a geriatric patient, whose to say their veings, connective tissue, ureters, etc won’t prolapse or blow out from all the pressure and new stressers?
This shit isn’t as easy as they want to claim (maybe they want to taunt Trump with immortality), but if they want to be the guinea pigs for it, let them ig - that’s the most ethical thing they could do with this, is experiment on themselves and take the consequences.
Except that these psychos are definitely going to harvest organs from the so-called lesser races within their borders.
And then what, that’s even LESS likely to work out compared to 3D orinted organs or animal organs that have been gene edited. That’s what I’m saying, this is a pipe dream, they cannot harvest/transplant MULTIPLE organs with random people’s genes in them, place them in someone’s body and have it work out like replacing car parts. Multiple organ transplants like that are just not really done because of how many variables and issues come from each transplant. They can try to Frankenstein themselves as much as they want, but like all fascist delusional “science,” it is genuinely idiotic and done stupidly and badly.
Well, you suggested to let them do it. I’m suggesting that they will not hesitate to commit massive human rights violating, nonconsensual nazi experiments, so no we shouldn’t allow them.
The fact that it absolutely won’t work is secondary.
I’m not granting permission, I’m saying if we follow their logic and methods to its natural conclusions, they will die, eg giving a proof.
They cannot use other human organs, this is already a roadblock for them. If they could, they already would be doing so (see blood transfusions). I was talking about 3D printed organs, not organs from others.
You brought up organs from others. I then explained it is even MORE of an issue to attempt to transplant (hence why we developed other means). Your refusal to understand that does not mean you are correct that they will do this. You’re in fact wrong.
However, perhaps they want to eat these organs instead of transplant them, I’m not saying they won’t go after human bodies for various reasons, and obviously all genocide should be stopped.
But they aren’t going to do multiple organ transplants from other human to human donors in our lifetimes, if ever. If you understood transplants, you’d understand why that just isn’t a thing and won’t be a thing.
It’s as stupid as head transplants and Neuralink.
I think if ALL, literally ALL of your other organs were functioning great, then it is unlikely your brain will deterioriate by itself randomly. Your body is constantly repairing itself, that’s why we are able to live so long.
But like, are they REALLY going to transplant things like the thymus? Can they even do that? Adrenal glands, parathyroid glands, thyroid, kidneys, livers, pancreas - idk man, I do not see these people getting all these organs replaced. That is an INSANE bodily experiment that has never truly been tested, let alone with lab grown organs (as Xi or Putin suggested), let alone in elderly and delicate subjects. We can’t even pull off natural looking facelifts in most subjects.
Adding in organs with different ages and donors also means they also may have increased loads on their remaining old aged organs too. Everything works together and donor organs can have a different circadian rhythm, let alone different genes which means different reactions to stimuli. Not to mention currently the most likely situation for organ transplant would be gene editing animal organs - again, experimental and never done on multiple organs. https://hms.harvard.edu/news/first-genetically-edited-pig-kidney-transplanted-human
Like managing multiple organ rejections in a 90yr old seeking immortality sounds like a joke of a case for any health care provider.
But please, someone convince both those men to get multiple organs transplanted ASAP
You want to go to the Island.
Was just about to say, “wasn’t this the plot of what I thought was a shitty scarjo flick from 10+ years ago”?
Ever read House of the Scorpion? It predicted this exact situation yeaaaaars ago, good read too
In china, heart surgeon, number 1!..
Bullets.
Death Cab for Putie.
Bullet for my Vladimir.
Putin On The Fritz.
Bullets are the beauty of the blistering sky
Oh is he doing experiments on Uyghur people
You know, its crazy how many times I’ve heard this rumor floated relative to the very real organ harvesting business that’s been happening in Israel since the 1990s
More than one country can be bad. Israel is very bad. China is also very bad.
I was going to say there was no actual evidence, but huh, I actually fell for some of the tankie lies after enough time. China’s deputy health minister Huang Jiefu repeatedly publicly acknowledged that most organ transplants came from death row inmates, and separately China was exporting organs to south korea on a massive scale prior to 2007.
(though it’s notable that this has not been connected to the Uyghur situation specifically)
(Also noting that it’s Israel claimed to end the practice in 2000, while China claimed to end the practice in 2015)
sources pre-emptively posted: the guardian, (old) beijing times, zhenhua.163.com, der spiegel
It is weird to point to a country that’s actively engaged in a holocaust and compare it to one that has eliminated poverty and boosted life expectancy by decades. One is slaughtering hundreds of thousands and the other is dramatically improving the lives of hundreds of millions.
You were the one that brough up the comparison in the first place.
I noted a real well-documented instance of organ harvesting, yes. I wasn’t just farting out speculations because I hate the country’s politics.
Look let’s ease of the Xi Jinping dicksucking. The CCP is an objectively oppressive regime with a terrifying human rights track record. All the tankie whataboutism in the world isn’t going to change that.
It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment. Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible.
So it’s likely
Probably not
Probably*
us as in literally “the two of us”. fucking hell, die already and stop leeching
These people are idiots, because that’s definitely not how aging works. But please go through all the organ transplants, it will just kill you both and do the world a big favor.
Intelligence isn’t required of these people and I doubt anyone in that room could explain telomere shortening and aging at a molecular level.
You cant do a brain transplant from a clone and be the same person even. Just megalomaniacs who care nothing for anyone but themselves.
It’s weird because Xi is a chemical engineer. Putin and Kim I understand being gullible and clueless about scientific matters but I don’t expect the same from Xi.
Never underestimate a scientists, especially an engineers ability to arrogantly misuse and misunderstand science outside of their specific area of practical experience.
This ^
Having a PhD does not automatically mean you know what you’re talking about outside your field lol.
Xi responded to the idea that you can achieve immortality by saying that it may be possible for someone to live to 150 years this century, which is not totally unrealistic if we make some advances in medical science
smart people are wrong sometimes
issac newton thought he could synthesize a philosophers stone
Xi knows Putin is dumb. He just responded in the most polite way that it is not possible.
Engineers disease is a thing. I understand heat transfer, therefor I can understand everything
Maybe they are lying to Trump about this, since he is freaked out about dying, to get some kind of favor or financing, or just to taunt him
We need to forcefully redistribute all excess wealth and power.
These delusional sycophants are going to be the death of our species.
