How’d that liberating of the Iranian people go again?
This is the regime all these Iran apologists on Lemmy are rooting for. There are no good guys in this war.
People are not rooting for Iran, but more like everyone knows attacking Iran is illegal and distraction from the Epstein file. This made Iran look like a less shitty looking shit.
Who was rooting for the regime? Who?
I think people were rooting against the US/Israeli aggression, not particularly for the Irani regime.
This is why I’ve emotionally divested myself from anything involving the middle east. No matter who you support you are supporting evil.
All I care about now is the economy specifically getting that strait opened back up. Right and wrong takes a back seat when nobody is right.
I spent my formative years living in a pretty poor small town that is disaster prone where I woke up in my bedroom being flooded. The adults in the house love watching primetime news and thus at an early age I am exposed to politics and news about murders and so on. It’s not that I don’t care, I really do because my parents and having been raised Catholic taught me empathy, but the wars and killings (although I’m aware that the rate of homicide is gradually decreasing over the course of human history) has become non-news to me. So I have been made aware early in life that not everything is always roses. There are something’s one cannot have control of but i participate in things I could change like with protests, even if it’s little. But broadly speaking, I am desensitised of the news on the conflicts in Middle East or Africa. So when the market reacts, I’m like: “how are you guys not used to it?”
Reason cannot be on the side of those who act in contravention of international law.
And what is the difference between them and the other countries in the Persian Gulf that leads Trump to regard some as friends and others as enemies? 🤔
What does that have to do with anything? When was Whataboutism ever an argument?
- Over 120,000 killed by America in Iraq and estimated over 1 million indirectly dead because of the invasion. An estimated over 200,000 Gazans killed by Israel (much more than the official numbers, as those pretty much stopped going up after Israel blew up the Hospitals in Gaza which is where the bodies were officially counted)
vs
- Iranian star Parastoo Ahmadi reportedly sentenced to 74 lashes for singing without hijab
The Iranian “Regime” is so much less evil than the American “Regime” and the Israeli “Regime” that it’s not even comparable.
People aren’t rooting for the Iranian “Regime”, they’re rooting against the American and Israeli “Regimes”, same logic as we are told again and again by American Liberals for why people should vote Democrat because it’s the Lesser Evil to stop the greater one, only in this case the difference in evilness as measured by body county between these Regimes is far larger than even the difference in evilness Democrats and Republicans in the US.
It makes far more sense to root for the lesser evil “Regime” against the more evil “Regimes” in this case than it does to vote Democrat in the US to stop the Republicans because even the Republicans don’t just murder hundreds of thousands more and get millions killed as collateral damage more than the Democrats.
The Iranian “Regime” is so much less evil than the American “Regime” and the Israeli “Regime” that it’s not even comparable.
At least make an honest comparison when you say that. Comparing decades of events by US and Israel to one event in Iran as if it’s not a brutal theocratic authoritarian regime, is very dishonest.
That’s not to say the US and Israel should’ve invaded, fuck no, but at least be honest about it.
Nice use of logical fallacies. Whataboutism and straw man in one comment.
But let’s stick to the facts:
2019:
On 23 December, Reuters reported that a death toll provided by three unnamed Iranian interior ministry officials was “about 1,500” including “at least 17 teenagers and about 400 women”.
2022:
At least 551 people, including 68 minors, had been killed as a result of the government’s intervention in the protests, as of 15 September 2023.
2026:
The Iranian government has acknowledged more than 3,000 dead, and the US-based organisation HRANA (Human Rights Activists News Agency), whose figures have been reliable during previous crackdowns, says it has verified more than 6,000 dead and has more than 17,000 more recorded deaths under investigation, giving a possible total of about 22,000. Other estimates from doctors based outside Iran range up to 33,000 or more.
And then we haven’t even talked about the terrorist attacks by Iran’s proxies.
So no, dear Iran fanboy. They’re not much less evil.
Shitty, aboslutely.
How many American school children have Iran bombed?
Dont try to give America a free pass by diluting the narrative.
Iran has long supported terrorist organizations that have killed many innocent people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism
Nobody gets a free pass.
Please cite the part where I gave America a free pass.
Please cite those Lemmy users rooting for women to be lashed for singing
Apparently you’re trying your very best to defend Iran here with multiple comments under mine. And nowhere have I said people were rooting for women to be lashed, my dear straw man. I said they were rooting for the regime.
There will be protests and I’m hopeful she won’t actually face punishment.
Backwater trash policies.
Omg men saw your HAIR! Give me a fucking break. Grow the fuck up and stop acting like children who can’t control themselves.
As soon as Religion gets into Politics, things invariably go backwards to a 7th century (or whenever that specific religion was invented) mentality.
You can actually go on YouTube and search “Tehran walking tour” or something similar, and like half the women aren’t wearing any head covering whatsoever…
I don’t know if there are different rules for performers, but I am a bit suspicious. Is the guardian trying to drum up consent for restarting the war? I think some skepticism is warranted.
And before y’all downvote me to oblivion for for being a dictator loving tankie or whatever, remember that the Guardian is British corporate media…the same country where protesting genocide gets you charged as a terrorist. It’s not exactly a place where the ruling class has ever given a shit about human rights.
It’s worth noting that Tehran (the city) is generally a little more lax than most of the rest of Iran/* … I’d guess she was singled out because her lack of hair covering could be seen easily from other parts of the country, and they don’t want the women there getting ideas
/* Source: I dated a girl from Tehran once, and that’s what she told me
Literally, there’s an incredible amount of footage from Iran where the vast majority of women aren’t wearing anything of the sort. Do just high profile people get targeted?
It’s common for a lot of authoritarian places to have laws that are selectively enforced. Since the enforcement is rare many people don’t bother following them but if someone bothers someone high up for any reason then breaking the law (that tons of other people break all the time anyway) is an easy excuse for the authorities to come down like a sack of bricks with a pretext ready. Being higher profile makes it more likely that you catch the eye of someone who hates you so it can be safer being some random person too low to notice instead. Though higher profile people also have more people ready to defend them generally so if you do get on someone’s list it’s better to have people in your corner who will make noise and maybe get punishment lessened or called off.
Probably trying to make an example out of her. There has been significant public resistance to the hair covering laws in recent years and the government has made various attempts to bring women back under control. But as with all tyrannical governments, if enough people resist, they simply can’t go after everyone.
That’s a good point, bit like the UK with social media posts
It’s the number one perk of being an authoritarian ruler. Your Authority is absolute and unquestionable. Meaning your hypocrisy is sanctioned and allowed. The rules are only enforced to punish the vulnerable. Whether it’s Trump, Putin, Xi Jinping. The rules are flexible if not invisible until the moment you cross leadership. Then they will descend on you feigning morality.
Everything I’ve seen from The Guardian is reputable.
I know before the war started, I read some coverage from the Guardian of the protests in Iran that was leaning pretty hard into some lurid details and leaving out relevant information that didn’t suit the narrative.
I agree but I wish people would act this way towards western modesty laws as well.
We’re not great, but we don’t publicly torture women for not covering their heads…
I’m not going to defend their bs, but let’s not pretend that puritanical views on female (reproductive and otherwise) morality aren’t killing people in places like the US.
We kill women for having a uterus, not for appearance. Look at the supreme Court’s garbage triggering abortion laws across the country. There is a death toll.
We aren’t exactly doing great in the west.
Which people? Pretty sure you’d find lots of people doing just that, mostly those who are criticizing policies like the one in the article as well.
Morality laws are stupid, in any country.
Obviously terrible, but how do they end up at 74? Is there a table for number of words sung without a hijab?
It’s based on how butt hurt the men feel after a woman pretends to be a human being.
Is it 74 men, or the average butthurtness per man who was butthurtted?
It’s more of a vibe thing. There’s not any data sheets required.
checks
Apparently the sharia court gave her the maximum sentence for a single act.
Article 638- Anyone in public places and roads who openly commits a harām (sinful) act, in addition to the punishment provided for the act, shall be sentenced to two months’ imprisonment or up to 74 lashes; and if they commit an act that is not punishable but violates public prudency, they shall only be sentenced to ten days to two months’ imprisonment or up to 74 lashes.
Note- Women, who appear in public places and roads without wearing an Islamic hijab, shall be sentenced to ten days to two months’ imprisonment or a fine of fifty thousand to five hundred Rials.
Wait, am I reading this wrong? Doesn’t the note mean that hijab crimes aren’t punished with lashing?
