Just occured to me that functionally that seems to be their role. Conspiratorially, super troubling. Viewed this way, it’s essentially the NSA without political oversight (what little the NSA had to begin with).
Basically but kinda worse because they don’t have as much regulation. So they kinda work in conjunction with the NSA to bypass warrants and stuff
Future is going to be awful for everyone except the owner class.
There is an easy solution that you are ignoring :3
Worse, the NSA is (theoretically) below the government in the pecking order
Palantir are trying to elevate themselves above governments
That’s a bad thing because ostensibly democracy allows us to influence the government, there’s very little we can do to influence palantir
Everyone was so in love with the idea of a new world order and an illuminati that Thiel and friends decided to become it.
This post makes that case.
https://ope1.substack.com/p/peter-thiels-panopticon-when-cia
Palantir has Intel on every country and every world leader. They are more powerful than the governments that they have contracts with.
we could try setting their data centers on fire. that would most certainly influence them.
You can try, but datacenters usually have robust fire suppression and are extremely difficult to gain unauthorized access to.
It would be more accurate to say that Palantir functionally runs the intelligence agencies of every country it embeds itself in.
Just not ‘officially’.
Welcome to the cyberpunk dystopia, corporations run everything, nation-states are basically just bureaucracies and propoganda devices, with guns.
Of course we’ve had PMCs for quite a while now, so corpos have the guns too.
Far more than just intelligence agencies, that was one part of their original plan and it has expanded exponentially. Look at how the US just gave them control of the entire food supply.
I think I missed the food part. Can you elaborate or share a link about it?
And Law Enforcement / Police… yep.
Their business model is ‘be Skynet’.
… and it is working.
Skynet launched already, there just was no countdown.
Also, plausable deniability and no public transparency (because copyright)…
No. The NSA is not just developing, but mainly executing orders (actual intelligence work). Palantir is a software/platform/service provider. It is very likely that no employee of Palantir gets to see any sensitive data at all.
They name everything after the lord of the ring, can’t be unseen
into mount doom with the whole thing
I think they have a software suite named Gotham, so they do not just anger fans of one franchise 😅
With any luck a foreign state actor will do the species a favour and assassinate Peter Thiel.
I’m not much of a fan of the NSA or anything, but that comparison seems unfair to the NSA. I imagine Palantir is more like a souped-up bullshit-ridden profit-driven Stasi.
Palantir is a data analysis company. Data analysis is just one part of what the NSA does. Other important functions of the NSA include cyber warfare, cryptography, and data collection. I have not read that Palantir does any of that.
You’re not paying very much attention.
CyberWarfare:
Conventional Warfare Kill Chain / Communications
https://time.com/6293398/palantir-future-of-warfare-ukraine/
As far as cryptography goes… cryptography basically is data analysis, in many respects. Obviously they work with and in the field of cryptography, certainly their live military comm networks need to… be encrypted.
Data collection?
They get all the data of everything they are plugged into, everyone who sells data to them, like Oura, for example.
I guess if you wanna go off at people like that, I have to go through your links and point out that
- Providing services to a cyber warfare organization does not make one a cyber warfare company. I bet they contract out their cafeteria services too. The article specifically states the contract is for data analysis.
- Doing data analysis for target selection also does not make one a cyber warfare company.
- Data analysis is not cryptography. Also, my personal computer is encrypted. Am I a cryptographer?
- Receiving data from your customers does not make you a data collection company, and the article points out that the data is being collected by Oura. Compare that with the NSA who for example have internet backbone splitters installed at the major telcos, or put cell spoofers in cities.
Why is doing data analysis for unethical ends not enough?
I just gave you what took me about 60 seconds to web search.
You could maybe do your own actual research, you know be active, and find way way way more information, fairly easily, than what I linked here, to just illustrate the point that you aren’t paying attention.
Also, to your points:
1] It does, actually. If you provide your services to a cyber warfare outfit, you are now involved with and facilitating cyberwarfare.
2] You apparently don’t know what a kill chain is, look it up. Palantir has directly been doing target identification, tracking, and assignment of lethal munitions toward Palestinians, and others. That’s not cyberwarfare, its just warfare, the comms network behind coordinating it. It has to be harderned against cyberwarfare, via encryption and other kinds of security measures.
3] This is either a non-sequitir or you don’t anything about cryptography. Yes, yes indeed, massive data analysis capabilities are used in cryptography, to decrypt things. You look for patterns, in data, and then try to reverse engineer a semantic structure. This is a kind of data analysis… called cryptographic analysis.
4] Right, I’m sure that Palantir doesn’t keep their own copy of the data they recieve, or the analytic results that the derive from it.
… Have you worked in tech much? I’m guessing no. Look up ‘data broker’ as well.
