The development comes after a presentation to the International Olympic Committee by its medical chief, which highlighted the potential physical advantages of competing in women’s sport after being born male.
This is just an excuse to attack trans people under the guise of fairness. It’s horrible
Fuck the Olympics. It’s corrupt, it’s full of cheaters and gamblers, and now more bigotry.
Weird how it’s only about trans women and never trans men.
They’ll just force them to compete against women, then when a trans man wins, it’ll be sold as “man pretending to be woman steals medals from women”, then extend the whole trans ban.
Sometimes it’s trans men, too. https://thetyee.ca/News/2025/11/10/Changed-Rules-Shut-Trans-Bodybuilder-Out-Competition/
I don’t think it’s that weird. The men’s competitions don’t forbid anyone from competing if they can qualify. Cis women are allowed, and in some cases have competed in men’s sports, such as hockey. Men’s divisions should more properly be called “open” divisions.
I see … Although they are not called that, are they. So now you’re accusing the organizers of basic incompetence or dishonesty. Which is it? … And if either of those is accurate, it raises other questions, too.
No, you’re putting words into my mouth. I never accused them of basic incompetence.
Women’s sports have rules that say (some variation of) “you must be a woman to join.” Men’s sports don’t have any rules like that. Women play in lower level men’s sports all the time. They just don’t make it to the top level.
now you’re accusing
Putting words in people’s mouths is an extremely immature debate tactic, don’t expect anyone to respect you or take you seriously doing that.
I think they’re incompetent at choosing the correct word and would like to understand what this implies.
Welp, time for the Queer Olympics to become a thing again.
A competition of the fastest, strongest, sweatiest gays…
In the greek tradition we will bring back the kynodesme.
Even the reporting is biased; trans women aren’t born male.
What? I’m confused. Are you talking about how not all trans women are born males, that we have been women all along, or is this some new grammar I’m missing?
I’m saying trans women are women. They might be born with xy chromosomes most of the time, or they might be born with a functioning penis and testes most of the time, but they are still women.
It’s why we say “assigned male at birth” instead of “born male”.
Edit: I’ll clarify this even further by reminding everyone that being trans is not a choice, and most – if not all – of the current science shows that being trans is the result of fetal developmental changes of the brain in the womb.
Oh, thank you for clarifying. I did not notice that little bit. You are right though. That shit gets so suttle sometimes. Amab not “born male.” I honestly wouldn’t have caught that. Well, i didn’t haha.
It can be subtle and nuanced for sure! Some people probably thought my comment was ignorant or transphobic.
It definitely made me have to stop and ask. I’m glad i did. Thanks for being an awesome internet person 😊
What!?
Just make the mens competition an “open” competition so that anybody can qualify if they can. A trans-woman competing in the “open” category would be no problem.
Other categories can then stay protected.
'cause I know I feel welcome, and not completely othered and invalidated when I’m forced to play on a team that is otherwise entirely men, whom have athletic advantage over me thanks
We’re only a matter of time from a sporting regime where it’s just broadly “open” to a level bordering on chaos, and it’s the only thing that is going to keep people watching.
The “should trans people compete” debate is going to be overshadowed by the “should people with extra hearts and enhanced organs be allowed to compete” debate.
The idea of “preserving fairness” in sports is wild when you think about it. Nothing about sports is “fair” you only succeed by getting an unfair advantage over your opponents, we just like to delude ourselves into thinking that because we set some kind of parameters around this capability to gain an advantage, that it’s “fair.”
I get the giggles watching Anatoly prank videos. He plays a nerdy, Eastern European janitor, pushing a mop around the gym. He regularly astounds the much larger guys by effortlessly lifting their weights.
One of his gags is casually handing the monster weightlifters his 32kg mop. They instantly drop it, “Is there problem? See! Is normal mop.” Picks it up one handed, zero strain.
This one is great! Girls are trying not to straight make fun of him talking about ab training. “Show us yours.” Aight. (Can’t find the better version where you can see his abs, but he’s a monster.)
Whatever his training regime, it’s obvious he has muscle density bordering on superhuman. Talk about advantage!
Or look at Michael Phelps. Dude smokes and is basically Aquaman. I forget what’s unusual about his body, but he’s a rare one.
In many sports it already is
Couldn’t there just be an open category in addition to men’s and women’s?
Men’s IS the open category
Thank you for clarifying.
To reiterate my reply to another user, I don’t really watch or care about the Olympics or sports in general. I just out of my ass about things I know nothing about.
Still seems weird to me, though.
I don’t think men need a protected category for most sports, so having both would just be duplication.
If nothing else, it’s just options for someone to pick from. Why allow one person more choices and not another? Everyone should have the same ability to choose.
We already have that. Men can join the men’s sport, which is usually open, like the NHL, but a restricted group can join the women’s sport. So women already have two choices - join a group where they are statistically unlikely to win, or compete against a group which is a better representation of her peers.
If you want more restricted groups, sure, why not? But the more groups there are, the more most sports will be diluted.
Thank you for the insight. I don’t watch or care about the Olympics or sports in general, so this whole conversation is moot. But to clarify, I was thinking more broadly about events at the Olympics, not just traditional sports. I’d think something like archery or fencing or something that’s not purely strength related would be more even.
There are some interesting cases. It took a long time for men to break into synchronized swimming, where women typically have the advantage. Archery still has some strength elements that could be relevant, but shooting should be pretty egalitarian and is still split, as far as I know.
I have never been particularly into sports, and stopped watching the Olympics very much when the amateur requirements were relaxed (when hockey was dominated by NHL stars). There may be some nuances I’m missing, and there is also the aspect of making a sport/competition more welcoming to women, such as women’s chess. While those are interesting social/cultural aspects, they have much less bearing on capabilities of a given sex/gender.
It would be dominated by men.
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Thats not necessarily true. Depends on the event.
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Having a choice of being in a men’s only vs an open category would allow them the choice as opposed to forcing all men to be in the open category, there by reducing the number of men entering in the open category. There would be less opportunity for that to happen.
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Watch them ban transgender women and clowns like JK Rowling STILL accuse cis women in the Olympics of being trans
I mean they still say that about Imane Khelif so
Imane Khelif is a DSD male and was incorrectly assigned female at birth, not transgender. Confirmed by independent sex test done by an accredited lab:
https://www.3wiresports.com/articles/2025/6/1/xxyetyl1aewfij823hnfdrsbi1sqjm
Fun meme. But where is your proof otherwise?
Says the girl giving random-ass blog as proof
Lmao is that just some dude’s blog? Your accredited lab is bullshit, your blogger here literally spouts a bunch of hearsay and conjecture what about a clarification from the IOC implies, then has the gall to throw out the phrase “facts are facts.”
Also I love this: “3 Wire Sports remains the only journalistic outlet to have seen these 2022 and 2023 tests.” Holy shit lol.
But yeah, sure thing, whatever you say sweetie
It’s easy to wave your hands and cry “bullshit”. Where is your evidence that Khelif is female? You can’t produce any, because it doesn’t exist
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boycott the olympics then
Another reason to
I think a lot of people are going to boycott these Olympics. The trump regime doesn’t deserve to host.
What about the potential physical advantages of competing in women’s sport after being born strong?
Of theres one thinf I know about babies, it’s that about half of them are born strong
you clearly dont know what youre talking about
They don’t give a fuck about fair competition so that’s irrelevant. This is just bigotry.
You didn’t answer the question. And it’s a valid question to my mind. See my reply to the above.
Let me ask you a question in turn. How many trans women are placing well in sports? Numbers, percentages, whatever you’ve got. How many cis women have had their rightful first place stolen by someone who’s just naturally better by merit of how they were born?
In answer to your question, transition does a lot, more than you would expect. It’s pretty statistically clear that the residual effects of going through the wrong puberty haven’t caused a physical ability imbalance that renders competition unfair. We haven’t seen any such thing play out, unless you consider any trans woman placing ever as inherently unfair and stealing results from cis women.
I want to know where this outrage was for Michael Phelps. We didn’t see legislation passed to deperson Andre the Giant. There are huge biological differences between people, and some people have an advantage in sport by merit of how their body works. There’s never outrage against gifted men.
Women have to suffer the brunt of this line of attack. Many cis women, for some reason especially women of color, get attacked as men if they have elevated testosterone, chromosomal abnormalities, or many other random biological quirks that someone doesn’t think is fair. Imane Khalif, a cis woman, gets attacked for not being a woman. Lin Yu Ting gets attacked for not being a woman. Caster Semenya gets attacked for not being a woman.
This trans panic in sports is not about fairness. Nobody making these decisions are doing so to create a balanced competition. This is sexism and transphobia being used to police women to ensure they’re feminine enough to appear on the world stage.
Imane Khelif, Lin Yu Ting, and Caster Semenya are all biologically male (not trans, DSD males incorrectly assigned female at birth). No cis women won a medal in the 2016 Rio 800m, all of the medal winners were DSD male. That would likely continue to be the case except they are no longer eligible for the women’s category.
Michael Phelps’ records have already been surpassed. DSD males competing in women’s sports set records that cis woman will never surpass. It is not surprising that the vast majority of people find this unfair. The IOC is doing the right thing.
Exactly my point. Thanks for illustrating it.
I question that as well. The strength advantage seems to be a factor of how early one transitions. If we figure that in, now we have another controversy, another fat can of worms.
They’re probably thinking along these lines and just saying, “Fuck it, total ban, zero tolerance.”
You may have misunderstood the point of my rhetorical question. I will elaborate.
What about people who are born with XX chromosomes, and all the associated lady bits, who happen to be especially strong? Or tall? Or flexible? Or any other kind of physical difference that would give them an advantage in their chosen sport?
Wouldn’t those people have exactly the same kind of “unfair advantage”?
“Oh, wait, that’s not what we mean,” the Olympics organizers might say. “We are only concerned with one kind of innate physical difference, and not any others.”
“We’re only concerned with one kind of innate physical difference, and not any others.”
I remember writing up something in the same vein in a comment on another platform some months ago. It’s nice to see someone else on the same train of thought :)
If it wasn’t for the culture wars, it would be another Oscar Pistorius situation. Not the murder, the prosthetics.
For those who don’t know this guy was a runner whose legs were amputated, and he got replacement prosthetics that made him as good if not better than runners with natural legs. There was some debate if his disability actually gives him an advantage, if it should be allowed at all.
And proceeded to shoot his girlfriend on valentine’s day.
Right, but before he became a murderer he was an inspiration to many people.
The news of his trial hit many people like a punch in the gut. How could such an inspirational person commit such a horrible crime? It was one of the worst feelings of betrayal experienced by the public.
Blindly, through a bathroom door. Reading about that fucked me up.
Sooo…
-Trans athletes form their own leagues. -Other athletes start competing because they go where the competition is and/or ideological reasons. -Olympics slowly become irrelevant.
Good job, Olympics.
I will remind everyone that as of 2023, about 3% of 18-24 yr olds identified as transgender. That’s a lot of people, and that percentage is only going to go up.
That sounds super duper likely
You should want to abolish the premise of womens sports that’s progressive, otherwise you are admitting women should be in leagues of their own.
Trans men are okay then? Sick, as long as the freaks don’t see them they’re safe
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There is no actual advantage, they are restricted from competing for 2 years after transitioning, and any advantage is already lost during the first year.
Basically, the problem was already solved decades ago. Since that 2 year period was implemented, there has -provably- never been a case of unfair advantage. Any of the ones hitting the news lately have all been disproven.
Anyone still trying to push for it now has not actually looked into it and believing disinformation spread by, at best ignorant people and at worst hateful people.
No one transitions with regards to how they will perform at sports. People transition for themselvrs, and some percentage of people also like competing at sports. They don’t want to never be able to compete again due to random unrelated or unaffected people not knowing they don’t have an advantage.
That is why people that say dumb stuff like you are doing, get downvoted. Please actually look it up, instead of just guessing and being another spreader.
Been wondering about this! Sure age of transition doesn’t play a factor, even after 2 years? I can’t see how a teen transitioning isn’t different from an older man transitioning.
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Here’s a study from 1997 about HRT and bone density, it’s about cis women though, I’m guessing youll advocate for post menopausal women to be banned from competition too?
although I presume you can’t read
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378512296010985
Ignorant, hateful, ignorant, fearful, ignorant.
Just, really shitty and deeply misinformed.
This person above me literally thinks that people are willing to go through with making permanent changes to their bodies just to cheat at sports or be pervs in bathrooms or some shit and not to, you know, have their body match who they really are more closely.
At the time when Oscar Pistorious was competing, there was an actual conversation around the fear that people would get their legs amputated so they could get prosthetics like he had if it would gain them a competitive advantage. No one actually knew if his prosthetic legs gave a real advantage because there was no way to do a comparison without having a real athlete go through the amputations.
If you look into the scene around body building and the extreme lengths people go to with steroids, extreme diets, dehydration and more, it doesn’t seem all that implausible that some people would transition in order to gain a competitive advantage. Heck, some people deliberately get their legs broken in order to stretch out the bones just so they can be taller (no competitive reason). That’s an extremely painful process undergone for less extreme reasons.
Jesus Christ don’t put words in my mouth! See what I wrote, I never said it was the main reason they transitioned. I don’t even get how would you relate my comment to bathroom pervs.
Any arguments related to sports performance, which was my main point?
Or maybe trans women athletes just want to … compete in athletics? If you look at how successful the extremely small number of such athletes are, you will find that they succeed at completely normal rates.
Someone once pointed out to me “Oh but what about this one?” to which I replied, “Ah, so trans women athletes are only a ‘problem’ when they succeed.”
tl;dr: Go fuck yourself.
Any data you can throw at me before hurling insults? I find it hard to believe that their performance is on par with their female peers, specially in contact sports.
I thought you did research. Must have been too hard for you.
Is it unreasonable to ask for your research, when mine contradicts yours? Specially with the confidence you stated your facts.
Apparently, since you never did. Do I just need to use small words for you, so you can understand what’s being discussed?
If you knew any trans people you would realise just how fucking stupid what you wrote is.
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If people are explicitly transitioning for that reason, sure. They transitioned years ago and have worked through the actual process of training in a sport they love: fuck them, I guess. A woman that has too high levels of natural T: Get outta here! Someone complained that you are cheating: hit the road!
This is the rhetoric that right wingers push, and is just a dangerous fucking road to travel.
Seriously. Imagine thinking that someone would put themselves through that kinda endocrine disruption, societal scrutiny/isolation, just for a trophy. I’m assuming from context clues homie said something along the lines of “what about dudes that transition so they get a competitive edge?”
Probably don’t talk about people’s transitions if you have no clue what you’re talking about. Thanks!
Thanks for your prompt but superficial comment! I’ll give it the proper consideration!
Don’t bother. You have no idea what you’re talking about. The advantage you assume exists doesn’t. There’s no deluge of trans people overtaking cis people at any sport.
You’re fear mongering about shit you don’t understand remotely. Shut the fuck up.
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Do some fucking research then.
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No.
