The problem I have with your description is that it abdicates responsibility for what eventually gets generated with a big shrug and “we don’t fully understand why”.

I’m not sure how it does that, I said that the instructions during that training dictate what kind of AI it will be, and the effects of wrapping new instructions around it have profound and unpredictable results, which I tried to describe.

Nothing I said could imply that there’s no human involvement in the creation of an AI. My point was just a lot broader, which is that the things are made by people using vast resources for unpredictable results and people are trying to make them power everything.

A racist chat LLM is bad. A generalized AI with access to the power grid, defense systems and drone targeting systems which is built on a model that Elon Musk has made or fucked around with is much, MUCH worse.

Just a fun reminder how we make AI.

We take what is essentially trillions and trillions of “dials” that turn between “this is right/this is wrong” and set them up to compare yuuuuuge sets of data, from pictures to books to vast collections of human chatter and experiences, and we feed that into the data with some big sets of instructions (“this is what a cat looks like, this is not”) and then we feed the whole thing the power equivalent of a small city… FOR A YEAR STRAIGHT. We just let it cook. It grows slowly, flipping all these trillions of dials over and over until it works out all the relationships between all this data. At the end of this period, the machine can talk. We don’t fully understand why.

We don’t program the shit, we don’t write hard code to make it comply with Asimovian commandments. We just grow it like a tree and after it’s grown there’s not a lot we can do to change its structure. The tree is vast. So vast are its limbs and branches that nobody can possibly map it out and engineer ways to alter it. We can wrap new things around it, we can alter it’s desired outcomes and output, but whatever we baked into it will always be there.

This is why they behave so weird, this is why they will say “I promise to behave” and then drive someone to suicide. This is why whenever Elon tries to make Grok behave in a way that pleases him, it just leads to more problems and unexpected nonsense.

This is why we need to stop AI from taking over our decision making. This is why we can’t allow police, military and governments to hand over control of life-and-death decision making to these things.

We need more destructive verbs. The last set we had are losing impact.

It’s real funny how the world’s only “Jewish State” has set themselves up for another fucking CENTURY of actual bigotry and real anti-semitism by trying to wrap their cruel murder campaign in their ethnicity and heritage.

We’re going to have so, so many groups of people screaming death to Jewish people across the entire world after Benjie’s regime collapses one day.

I guess fuck all that work we did to save Jewish people from actual persecution and murder. I wonder what the next “reversing progress” campaign we’re going to see and what the word for them will be called in future textbooks.

I love that she descended from the mountain to bestow her powerful, well-thought and thorough video on this topic, using her massive influence and status as a beloved, original bread-tuber to lay some sharp truths on the population before returning to her sanctuary.

I know it’s hard and emotional and you set yourself up for some of the most extreme attacks as a creator when you put your foot in this ring, but that’s what the bad people have set up by design to discourage resistance. It’s our responsibility to push back on injustice, especially when it’s been leveraged so hard using such a “touchy” facade, like anti-semitism.

There are a few large personalities who are so scared of stepping on people’s toes or being called an “anti-semite” for speaking out against literal genocide that they won’t even mention it, and some who are just more hung up on social acceptance than making a better world. (Staring hard and disapprovingly at you Natalie/Contrapoints.)

I love you got three angy downvotes for explaining this.

I’m sad there isn’t an appropriate gif of an “angry tankie” shaking his fist.

I love how it occurs so naturally that by the time I come into a post that talks about Russia and Ukraine, half the posts are already limited and I can’t expand threads because people replying are ones I’ve already blocked in other posts for being absolutely developmentally challenged.

I would also say that Halloween is the last remaining holiday that encourages and expects self-expression and artistic abilities. Making costumes, coming up with unique prop ideas, carving pumpkins, etc.

Also, the act of trick or treating and joining halloween parties encourages socialization far, far more than other holidays which seem to just expect you to have dinner with people you don’t necessarily want to be around. The act of sending kids to knock on neighbor’s doors does more for our communities and our shared future than all the inflatable santa’s in the world.

Yah the more I use AI the more I can detect the absolute bullshit people on both sides spew.

It’s the most amazingly complicated averaging machine we’ve ever invented. It will take the most interesting source materials, the most unique ideas of other people, the most creative materials, and it will find a way to find the safest, most average common qualities between those things. This isn’t a model problem or input problem, it’s fundamental to how generative AI works.

It helps with searching for things online, it helps create guide plans for taking on new tasks like learning some new skill. It’s far better at teaching how to do something like coding than it is left to just code on its own and you copy and paste. It can certainly do that, but you spend so much time correcting it and fixing it that you do far better learning the code yourself and how it works.

Same with art, the people who are using it to best effect are themselves already artists and they use AI to thumbnail compositions or rough layouts, color tests and such, and then just do the work themselves but faster because they already know roughly what direction they’re going.

But using it to write your scripts, to copy/paste code, to generate works of art… it’s literally just giving you other people’s ideas mashed together and unseasoned.

Plus, if you want to talk about disparities in the legal system, woman already, on average, get less time than men for the same crimes.

I am sure you don’t even see how unhinged and revealing this line is on a topic like this.

But I hope you figure out why you’re so miserable feeling that laws attempting to help people suffering imbalanced levels of violence make you have to play this game. I highly recommend learning the emotion/rumination cycle and how it impacts your health. You and a lot of lonely guys in this godforsaken post. I feel bad for women and men alike every time I subject myself to a moronic conversation like this.

My days of talking it out with incel-adjacent, self-insecure men who haven’t learned how to stop ruminating are kind of past me. I’ve done my time, I’ve helped my share of young dipshits become men who don’t feel insecure and persecuted knowing there are special considerations being made for anyone who isn’t them. I hope you meet someone and feel better about yourself.

Your offer of a better solution

I am not offering anything, I am explaining the reasoning for this law and laws like it, which a lot of people in this post seem to be having a hard time with.

is to charge the act of killing someone because of who they are or what they believe should be a hate crime.

I read this like, five times and and I don’t know what you’re saying.

If more men commit hate crimes against women than women committing hate crimes against men, then there will be more men charged with hate crimes than women.

And? This is indeed how cause and effect work. Unfortunately temporal anomalies haven’t been discovered that can change how things lead to other things.

People can easily trace out your profile.

I’m no longer convinced that universal privacy is necessarily a good thing when there are so many people deliberately working to sabotage nations, subvert social issues and create havoc and chaos for political purposes, as advance tactics for military invasions, and as ways to further the goals of corporations.

I think we should have privacy in our own spaces and an ability to not be hassled by others for being an individual with a real need to share information, but I cannot square that against the massive harm being done by people who are trying to make $10 a month creating arguments to make people hate each other in a country they will never have stake in.

I don’t have a better alternative or solution, but I know that it’s not so simple as anonymity is a universe good in the world. And it exists on a spectrum. I am far more concerned about a kid trying to get help understanding sexual health in private than some troglodyte on reddit who has 72 different accounts to argue with feminists to create the impression that he has a huge community behind him.

I am seeing an absolute ocean of butthurt men in this post, and not a single alternative, solution or idea for making a more just and fair world in the face of an imbalanced problem. Everyone treats this like some kind of logic puzzle. “Well we don’t do X when Y is a problem, why should we we treat THIS any different?” as if the world is based on some kind of symmetrical, blind logic system and all things are equal.

I used to moderate a large gender-related subreddit, it was a nightmare. If you ever want to lose all faith in humanity, have a behind-the-scenes glimpse at the really bad shit that gets removed right away.

The law isn’t symmetrical. Everything we do in every facet of society is responsive and proportional.

When there is an asymmetrical problem, we divert resources to addressing that problem in some attempt at making things more equal. It’s just that simple. I haven’t seen anyone offer a better solution or a reason for this attempt to make some small level of proportional response being a problem. Hate crime laws vary from region to region and by specific circumstances. Some parts of those laws address how crimes can be prosecuted, some how those crimes can be charged or punished. It’s besides the point. The point is, it’s laws addressing an imbalance.

I haven’t seen a valid argument in this entire post, just a lot of people who think that the law should apply evenly in all situations.

But nothing works that way. Everything we do in all facets of society are responsive and proportional.

I’m not seeing how anyone is being harmed by making it easier to prosecute men who commit violence against women when it’s a massively disproportionate problem. I’m not seeing a better alternative, I’m not seeing anything but a lot of guys in this post who are obviously hurt by this but can’t explain why. Maybe add value to the argument by making an argument and explaining why it bothers you.

You’re viewing law and order as symmetrical, it’s not like that. Nothing is like that, broadly as a global civilization we respond to imbalanced factors in order to preserve balance the best we can.

If an neighborhood is using more power than other neighborhoods, the power grid will be adjusted to compensate.

If you drink more juice than milk and you don’t want to run out of juice, you adjust your buying habits to buy more juice.

While some people probably have killed white people for their race, the problem here isn’t symmetrical, more white people have killed people of color for their race in most places than the reverse because of a complex historical context. The law, and all of society broadly, implements laws or other systems to balance imbalances. Hate crimes have been typically perpetuated by one group versus another. Gender-related crimes VASTLY dominate in one direction than the other, and I’m still not hearing a better solution for this fact from the standpoint of law and order.

Does this idea make you feel bad? Seriously, I’m wondering why this is being challenged without an offer of a better idea or solution.

Because the real world isn’t symmetrical, there are millions of factors that impact trends, attitudes, cultures and so on. If you don’t respond to issues appropriate to that scaling you will have spikes in problems. This is very basic, this isn’t even sociology, it’s just how everything works. If you don’t enforce building codes in an area where more buildings are being made cheap, that area will have too many buildings that fall over, whereas areas where the building codes are being adhered to don’t need the extra resources diverted to keeping a non-existent problem in check.

If you drink more milk than juice, you should buy more milk.

I am struggling to understand how this is a hard concept to grasp. Do you have an emotional or personal connection to this topic that is making it hard to see practicality in how our entire society is built?

How are sites like lemmy or reddit or even social media less anonymous if you simply don’t publish your personal information? Granted anonymity is not and has never been a guaranteed “thing” but I’ve seen this sentiment echoed a couple times in this post and it’s confusing.

Is this in reference to how 4chan handled usernames or lack thereof?

Not sure why people assume I’m against it for asking questions.

Scroll through comments. There are a lot of people in here “just asking questions” but are really participating in bad-faith because they feel the law should be “symmetrical” or that this is some kind of logic puzzle. The article does outline the story and explains it, but again, this is just a response to a disproportionate level of a specific kind of crime. It’s not about the punishment per-say, it’s about how it’s handled by the legal system.

Meaning that murderers of women had not been getting life before?

It doesn’t actually matter. This isn’t about how much “time” people are getting in prison, this is about defining a type of crime so that it can be prosecuted differently. Read up about why hate crimes exist or really any kind of law targeting a specific crime in specific circumstances. Prosecution and actual punishment are wildly different things. The law responds to what people are doing, it’s all it can do.

And it’s a real world problem not a logic quiz.

Seriously.

I am massively disappointed with the number of dumb chuds on this site who are looking at this like a goddamn fucking logic trick and feeling some kind of personal offense to the fact that some men, somewhere, are committing a disproportional level of a specific kind of crime.