• Mangoholic@lemmy.ml
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    That’s fine, just pack your shit and close all military bases in nato countries as well.

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    Of course NATO is not a trusted organization to an administration consisting exclusively of Russian agents.

    Seriously, are we sure these assholes even speak English and have English names or is there some cover-up going on?

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    So is it their goal to turn the US into an irrelevant backwater or what?

    So far they’ve introduced bills that diminish their own military force, decimated global trading relationships, now they’re trying to back out of the final commitments they have left. By the time 2030 rolls around no one will want to be president because they’ll have no power.

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    US: “NATO members need to up their defense spending!”

    NATO: “Okay, we’ll do it.”

    US: “Actually, We’re leaving NATO.” 🤡

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      Yep, the USA likes to complain about Europe being security freeloaders, but the only member to ever invoke Article 5 was the USA.

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      Just when I warmed up to the idea that NATO was a necessary evil to counter Putin’s worse evil.

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      they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.

      the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.

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        the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous.

        That plan doesn’t work. It assumes that the rest of the world just sits back and takes their crap lying down which isn’t happening. They genuinely think they can just take over Greenland and nothing would happen. I don’t know if they’re intelligent or not, but they’re definitely delusional.

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          They’ve handily proven time and time again in recent memory how they can in fact just do things and the rest of the world will sit back and take it lying down, though. That’s the problem. Anyone who thinks it’s just an America issue or something like that grievously misunderstands the tenuous house of cards that the pax americana and era of modern peace is built upon. Realistically, how far are you willing to go to prevent fascism? Would you die for it? Would you crawl through the trenches in a land many seas away from home? Some people might say yes but realistically most Westerners and others would never dare give up their creature comforts. It’s not delusional to think the world can change in the way they suggest precisely because they’ve suggested it - that is the hallmark of the fascist movement and what ties their collective ethos together, a philosophy of domination in all aspects.

          Idk in short, I agree that yeah these people are certainly morally bankrupt. Lots of them are delusional. Any group of people has some like that. That doesn’t mean we should strawman them. There’s lots of idiots and they might think the US could invade Greenland without causing an international crisis. Either fortunately or unfortunately, these aren’t the people saying that the US wants to own Greenland or that we should go to war with Iran, for example.

          The people who control and run this movement are not delusional. They’re dangerous.

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        Oh yeah, they have a plan all right.

        Now, the plan isn’t any good and everyone gets screwed, even them.

        But it is, technically speaking, a plan!

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          i made the freudian slip originally before publishing the comment but decided to keep it in because it felt apt. lol

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    Mike Lee is obviously a fucking traitor lol Americans stand up for your country and shoot the motherfucker

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    I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.

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      He did hint at it during his first term. So it wasn’t an unprecedented prediction. Especially when it has become obvious that the previous guard rails have come off.

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      I got banned from one of the NCD communites (not world, different instance) here for insinuating the US doesn’t want Ukraine to join NATO lol

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    Does the bill include all military installation closures and those that are on European territories? For example Greenland. If MAGA wants out, then GTFO and I do not want hear any crying afterwards because that will give the Europeans every excuse not purchase US made weapons. I’m certain US MIC lobbyists will weasel their way in to tear apart the bill.

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      This is what I don’t get about their plan to take over the US. It won’t work because it will cost everyone money, the people they are ultimately beholden to will lose out because of actions they chose to take.

      As soon as the consequences become apparent interest in project 2025 is going to drop off a cliff.

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      Utahns generally don’t like to draw attention to themselves as firebrands (e.g. Mitt Romney, Orrin Hatch), so methinks the Senator is planning to get into the 2028 presidential primary.