US: “NATO members need to up their defense spending!”
NATO: “Okay, we’ll do it.”
US: “Actually, We’re leaving NATO.” 🤡
wow, even after NATO members helped US.
Honestly, the American far-right unknowingly dismantling US global hegemony piece by piece is pretty sick
they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.
the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.
Oh yeah, they have a plan all right.
Now, the plan isn’t any good and everyone gets screwed, even them.
But it is, technically speaking, a plan!
Oh, we’re weary all right.
Wary, though I think we’re all weary at this point as well.
Mike Lee is obviously a fucking traitor lol Americans stand up for your country and shoot the motherfucker
What’s that flag?
SEATO apparently. Did not know that existed
I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.
Russians too
Russians are technically europeans too.
He did hint at it during his first term. So it wasn’t an unprecedented prediction. Especially when it has become obvious that the previous guard rails have come off.
I got banned from one of the NCD communites (not world, different instance) here for insinuating the US doesn’t want Ukraine to join NATO lol
Does the bill include all military installation closures and those that are on European territories? For example Greenland. If MAGA wants out, then GTFO and I do not want hear any crying afterwards because that will give the Europeans every excuse not purchase US made weapons. I’m certain US MIC lobbyists will weasel their way in to tear apart the bill.
Mike Lee? The guy who proposed a federal porn ban?
He’s just stirring shit to get his name out there isn’t he?
Utahns generally don’t like to draw attention to themselves as firebrands (e.g. Mitt Romney, Orrin Hatch), so methinks the Senator is planning to get into the 2028 presidential primary.
Can the US get invaded yet? Someone needs to bring us some freedom…
As directed by Vladamir Putin.
How would the military industrial complex not kill Trump if this were true?
Australia really needs to close Pine Gap as well.
Australian democracy vs the CIA round 2
Hopefully we can trust the GG this time!
I’m sure they already have the dirt to make a persuasive argument
The press I saw from nato meet where really disturbing as in they where blatantly sucking up on him… so maybe there was something known already. Also the Iran stunt is incredible, what is happening?
They want out because it’s stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.
US: We want you to spend more on defence!
Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
US: That’s not what I meant! I’m going home!They want out because it’s stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.
This is only happening because Drumpf is meddling with deliveries and contracts. It makes America an unreliable supplier and partner when a contract or agreement means nothing because the orange shiteweasel may change his mind tomorrow, and redirect the arms that you already paid for…
They’re also threatening to annex or outright invade long-term allies. You don’t want to be in a war where the people you’re fighting against are the only ones who can maintain and replace your weapons.
And yet the UK is buying more American jets 🤦
BAE Systems is a major supplier.
Cause and effect are a little twisted here. Trump was already undermining NATO during is first term by saying European members should spend more. They didn’t agree at the time, but the Ukraine War proved that Europe really did need a more domestic MIC, and now they are.
Trump wasn’t saying it in the first place because he thought it would help NATO.
They wanted to leave during Trump’s first term because it helps Russia’s war with Europe
The increased spending is just meant to make the incumbents unpopular so the Russian backed candidates can win
That’s probably a factor as well.
Honestly, NATO might be better off without them
with the constant threat of trump working with PUTIN, who wants nato in disarray, its a good thing for the EU to divest from the usa.
Agreed. Drumpf is Pootins “man”*on the inside. Look to him to delay and prevaricate any NATO decision, and generally try to sabotage them
- Drumph is NOT a man. He’s a cowardly little orange shit weasel.
a man child
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Why do you think that? How would losing half the military assets and technology would benefit NATO?
Half the military and technology assets that won’t ever actually be used to help NATO under Trump.
He’ll veto every action that goes against Russia… Which is what NATO was originally formed to do…
NATO is not against russia. It is against certain things that russia does to its neighbours who subscribe to NATO membership.
I don’t think it matters, the EU contains a mutual defense pact as well. Even if NATO fails to respond due to Trump being an Epstein related kiddie diddler, EU members have each other’s back. Turkey would be left out in the cold though.
So there’s no downside to having the US in NATO. Unless you’re Turkey.
The US is great at spending money in the military, but it absolutely sucks at actual war.
Look how they wasted trillions in Afghanistan to surrender to the Taliban.
the US military exists solely to funnel tax payer money to military shareholders.
basically like how the russians do it, with bodies, and money, except the usa wastes more money. no strategy, just keep throwing waves of campaign after campaign of wars, plus it also justify have a 800bn budget. tangentially, this is what mr benjamin is doing constant war aggression so he keeps getting aid from the us. Pakistan does it too, just pretend they are doing something about the taliban in thier borders, just to keep getting aid.
yea Just like how the Afghans kicked expansionist russia out. Afghans are strong people. it is a place where empires go to commit suicide.
Although US got Osama (hiding in Pakistan though).
Actually, if you’re curious, look up how many wars the US has actually outright won on their own without being part of a coalition of allies.
The answer is shockingly few.
Even their great revolution needed help from an, at the time, true superpower i.e. the French.
checked a wiki page about that.
it’s frankly embarrassing how much the US military actually sucks.
likely human history most expensive military, and a complete waste of resources
The expense and waste is the point. Winning never was.
it was always to justify the defense budget to go into the pockets of the contractors, the politicians and the lobbyists.
war is profitable, winning is irrelevant, soldiers lost are replaceable.
thats why they do these aggressive recruitment propaganda every few years, having a movie like top gun maverick helped alot last year and propaganda like business insider video of military jobs. and yes most of them are aimed at POCs. when obama came into power, recruitment/military was actually downsizing in a peacetime military, but trump reversed it the moment he was in his first time. i was in forums where it was when obama was in charge, it was getting harder and harder to get into the military(people were getting denied left and right for medical and financial and crime reasons that mightve seen consideration during the bush era), then i magically reversed the moment he left office.
The true Rule 34.
Yeah but we won the war om werewolves.
I’ll grant you it’s a big racket, it’s corrupt, it’s inefficient, but I don’t think it’s a skill issue.
I wouldn’t consider failing to win the hearts and minds of the local populace using violence a military failure rather than a policy failure.
Ukraine showed that modern warfare is a different game than it used to.
it’s s resource war, cheap drones can cause lots of damage, and it is far more costly to fight them. long range rockets, v defense systems…
and given that US have painfully expensive toys, they won’t be able to hold of again a cheap enemy.
yhea, Maybe the F22 can outmanoeuvre another airplane in a dogfight, but who tf needs a dogfight? the enemy can just launch a volley of self guided missiles that costs 100x to intercept.
That was to funnel money, steal gold, and oil.
in a way, the “mission accomplished” was true
