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"this morning, as I was finishing up work on a video about a new mini Pi cluster, I got a cheerful email from YouTube saying my video on LibreELEC on the Pi 5 was removed because it promoted:
Dangerous or Harmful Content Content that describes how to get unauthorized or free access to audio or audiovisual content, software, subscription services, or games that usually require payment isn’t allowed on YouTube.
I never described any of that stuff, only how to self-host your own media library.
This wasn’t my first rodeo—in October last year, I got a strike for showing people how to install Jellyfin!
In that case, I was happy to see my appeal granted within an hour of the strike being placed on the channel. (Nevermind the fact the video had been live for over two years at that point, with nary a problem!)
So I thought, this case will be similar:
- The video’s been up for over a year, without issue
- The video’s had over half a million views
- The video doesn’t promote or highlight any tools used to circumvent copyright, get around paid subscriptions, or reproduce any content illegally
Slam-dunk, right? Well, not according to whomever reviewed my appeal. Apparently self-hosted open source media library management is harmful.
Who knew open source software could be so subversive?"
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I wish just by having my jellyfin server up media companies would actually get hurt, like fiscally hurt.
i oughta upload a video in the vein of “it’d be a damn shame if someone mentioned that i’m hosting a peertube instance” lmao
If you’re located in EU this could be a great case for DSA-based mediation. If you’re pissed maybe try reaching out to a DSA appointed mediator in your country?
Jeff is located in St. Louis Missouri unfortunately.
I’m surprised YouTube still lets you list your PeerTube channel in your YouTube channel description.
I try to drive all my YT traffic straight to PT
Oh, it’s dangerous and harmful all right : to their business model.
I think the big G is probably starting to get pretty nervous about self hosting. It absolutely is a threat to their existence. They are nothing without users.
There’s a lot of us fed up with enshittification and every video that helps people break free of their capture is extremely dangerous to them. Seriously.
I think it may be less direct and it’s troll companies and shitty AI.
Yeah, this is definitely a broken corporate system issue rather than a nefarious plot. Google takes down, demonitizes, and issues trikes for all kinds of bogus shit, their system is so incapable of nuance that “nuance” isn’t even the right word anymore. There’s no evil scheme to silence self hosting, just a horrible, miserably dysfunctional content moderation system that regularly trashes peoples livelihoods if it comes anywhere near prohibited topics.
If the mistake causes a big enough problem they cares about, like bad publicity via a large channel complaining, they’ll probably fix it after a whole protracted mess of a situation. But if it doesn’t cause a problem for them it doesn’t get fixed. They just really suck at handling the scale of content they host.
And I might empathize that it’s a hard thing to do, if they weren’t an effective monopoly and a horrible company.
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Are people downloading youtube videos to their Plex/Jellyfin and watching them locally?
Of course they are, and you can stream the media or download it via many other means including youtube-dl.
They also still actively thwart users who are on a CG-NAT’ed connection so I ponder if the legality is now starting to bog them down.
I’ve downloaded all of the videos for a few channels. I know they will eventually get taken down, so I want to have backups ready for when that happens.
I know people who host content from YouTube on their servers, just in case it ever gets taken down from YouTube. Team FourStar had big problems with that, despite all their content being squarely under Fair Use, so I can’t say I blame anyone for taking the precaution. It would be a social tragedy to lose public copies of DBZ Abridged.
YouTube also “sells” movies afaik
Yes, I use jellyfin exclusively as a frontend for local mirrors of a handful YouTube channels.
PUT DOWN THAT JELLYFIN SERVER AND NOBODY NEEDS TO GET HURT!! THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!
YOU ARE UNDER ARREST FOR FELONY CONTEMPT OF BUSINESS MODEL
WATCH OUT, HE’S REACHING FOR HIS NAS!
BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!
Another dangerous terrorist eliminated.
The best alternatives for creators to obtain revenue are Bandcamp and Odysee, they have an fair business modell. Certainly when YT said selfhosting is harmfull, it’s only for their business modell, but if creators create their own pages with their work, it’s not really a solution, it will be interesting only for direct fans.
problem with odysee is that it’s full of nazis so nobody wants to use it. like literally, one of the first videos that comes up is from the nordic resistance movement. and since it’s based on the lbry blockchain illegal content can’t be removed, only hidden from the frontend.
Certainly also nazis upload their trash there, same as in all other platforms, seen include in Mastodon instances, also in YT. That cant be avoided in public accesible platformas.
yeah but on other sites that gets removed. if you’re blockchain-backed, it stays online. also, most places remove hate speech. if you’re a “free speech absolutism” platform, guess where all the nazis are gonna go.
Yeah, I definitely don’t recommend clicking on the “wild west” category.
Didn’t see that specific one but the amount of conspiracy theory videos I saw immediately turned me off of that website. Now that I know that it’s got a block chain backend even more lmao
Let’s also not forget Google wants you storing your photos on Google Photos, listening to music on YouTube, buying / renting movies from the Google Store, and streaming from Google TV.
It isn’t just YouTube. It’s their whole ecosystem.
By the way, I have a NAS setup. Was it pricey? Sure. But it cost about what it would to watch the NFL this year, and should last several years.
Some in the fediverse ask why I’m not on Peertube. Here’s the problem (and it’s not insurmountable): right now, there’s no easy path towards sustainable content production when the audience for the content is 100x smaller, and the number of patrons/sponsors remains proportionally the same.
How is this preventing Jeff from also uploading his videos to PeerTube? It can literally be automated by PeerTube.
If the Linux Experiment can, then why not Jeff as well?
Agreed. Im seeign a lot of new faces in peertube land. Its been a pretty good time.
I kinda want to do a “best of peertube 2025” and get a couple of 10 second clips together just for fun. Just like a “best of” with some collabs if possible.
It might be against YT ToS but he could have shorter versions on YT and say the full version is on PeerTube. Biggest issue rn is probably advertising. Most people wouldn’t think to look on PeerTube, if they know it exists, so nobody wants to post to PeerTube. The Reddit API fiasco was a boon to Lemmy so this could be as well, but steps need to be taken while outrage is fresh.
The thing is peertube wont grow unless the people aware of it start advertising and using it as an alternative. It takes collective investment in building the audience on an alternative for it to become viable.
Peertube has a major disadvantage, though. It does not come with prebuilt revenue stream to cover your hosting costs.
In other words, he would become the customer, not the product, which comes with the certain set of advantages and disadvantages.
edit: or he could spin up his own instance, which would result in him having one more fulltime job :)
An easy peertube + Ghost spin for content providers could probably be a viable business model
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There are a dozen other venues for revenue. We need to move, as a society, away from advertising as a business model. It has become detrimental to society.
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He’s already hosting a ton of other things, obviously, so the additional load would likely be extremely minimal. And if he was accumulating a large load that would mean he was wrong about not being enough users.
I don’t hate advertisements on the whole but the sort of aggressive ways in which advertising is delivered. YT ads can be relevant to you based on data collected about you but it still really feels like an assault to interrupt or preempt a video with an ad that isn’t relevant to the video I’m about to watch.
The “sponsored content” parts of some videos don’t feel nearly as intrusive or out of place. They’re also easier to ignore. That’s really been the big change to the Internet in my mind. Ads have gotten more obnoxious, obvious, and harder to ignore. In newspapers or magazines we generally got used to the ads and could, for the most part, filter them out. Imagine a magazine where the actual articles were sealed behind the flap of an advert. We’d lose our shit, and that’s how it feels with the Internet for the most part.
YT ads can be relevant to you based on data collected about you
They certainly can be but if there are 2 advertisers and one is the most relevant and the other pays them more money, which one do you think Google is going to show you?
The “sponsored content” parts of some videos don’t feel nearly as intrusive or out of place
That’s because they’re typically read by the creator. Artists, essentially. Professional entertainers. And not ad companies. Some of them (looking at you Wulffs Den and J2C) are actually very entertaining.
YT ads can be relevant to you based on data collected about you
They certainly can be but if there are 2 advertisers and one is the most relevant and the other pays them more money, which one do you think Google is going to show you?
The one that pays more because it’s an auction, but an advertiser that pays more for a less relevant ad to a user won’t be making as much money so there is an incentive to be more relevant.
There’s a finite number of eyes.
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Sponsorships seem to be getting increasingly common and IIRC are way more profitable than youtube ads. Also typically less annoying to the end user? Not sure, I sponsorblock them. At the very least you can choose where they go.
Sponsorships rely on your YouTube numbers though
View numbers. They don’t care where people are viewing it. Which is why you can then distribute it to as many platforms as you like.
They will pull something like “we cannot verify the viewer numbers on your content cannot be verified as the platform you published to has not made a deal with us behind the scenes”
Podcasts have managed on platforms that don’t even report viewer counts. Apparently they didn’t like it when it was updated so that they did.
An obvious option though is discount codes or affiliate links.
Ah yeah good point
we cannot verify the viewer numbers on your content
Of course they can. It’s displayed just like it is on YouTube.
They don’t usually get paid per view anyway.
If he had hosting costs, that would mean he’s hosting his own PeerTube instance, which is definitely something big content creators should be doing. But he could start out with using Tilvids.com (like The Linux Experiment) or another PeerTube instance.
How does he backup his videos today? Wouldn’t it make sense if you used your backup solution with your own PeerTube instance?
I know peertube is the fancy right way to self-host videos, but does anyone just post movie files directly to their website anymore? Seems pretty easy to throw mp4s into a folder on your web server…
That’s a pretty rough way to serve videos if you get popular. Peertube at least does some peering to help mitigate your server load.
Yeah the p2p nature of it means it scales really well if anything goes viral. Not to say throwing a video on some video tags in HTML isn’t a bad idea.
This only shows that they are starting to take it seriously. Its a good thing thus happened. Lets the streisand effect take its toll and watch the change happen.
Btw, feel free to visit my peertube and watch some of my videos: https://peertube.giftedmc.com/videos/local
The Streisand Effect doesn’t apply here. They’re not making news about it, they’re silencing content posts on their platform. If Google went out and started using takedowns on other platforms, that’s when you start to get a compound media effect because site owners tend to broadcast to their readership; in this case, the only people who notice both the takedown and the cause is the author. And us, because OP told us, but we’re tiny.
After so many people stayed on Twitter, and after companies like Apple reversed their policy and went back to advertising there, I’ve lost faith in any mass internet movement. Most users don’t care, as long as they’re getting free stuff, and most content providers insist on using it because of monetization. If that’s where the content is, that’s where the users will go.
Most users don’t care, as long as they’re getting free stuff
Sad, but very true in my experience. I find even my friends who work in software engineering and have exposure to the bad sides of what technology can do, just don’t take any efforts to change. They addicted to Instagram, to Amazon, and everything else.
i understand your despair. I sympathize. Still, I think it is just a question of who has the longer breath. If you read about history and look at things off the beaten path (most western countries teach history in a way that silences critical voices) you will see that things are never obviously gonna change something or everything from day one.
Online protest alone wont do anything but things are changing. Just keep on keeping on.
Btw. take a look at !anticorporate@lemmy.giftedmc.com and (for those who speak german) !antikapitalismus@lemmy.giftedmc.com for more movement stuff.
They’ve started telling people they’re blocking content for anyone who use adblock. It also seems like they might be shadowbanning those who don’t comply after a while(account can’t play any videos, but works fine when logged out or on other accounts, but zero notification from them about any wrongdoing).
Thats great. I hope oppression goes through the roof. We absolutely need this to become worse and worse. System change does not come from positive news.
They’d ban the RPi if they could too
Now I’m gonna self-host even harder
I will self host content that I pirate from youtube
Next they’ll say “not giving your entire life savings to google considered harmful”.
++++ for making people aware of Peertube.
