Inspired by a post I saw on AskReddit (which has now been removed). What is something you believe is growing because of young people?
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Baggy pants and chunky white sneakers. Ugh I’m so done with then. When can we get back to straight cut? I’m so sick of the skinny-baggy jeans back and forth
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Nihilism
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Angst and hopelessness.
That’s not because of young people, that’s their reaction to the actions of the boomers.
The consensus in the West that Israel is an unapologetic fascist ethno-state prosecuting a genocide against Palestinians
more than that, it extends to the us empire.
people seem to recognize that they are the baddies now.
Hey, now. You almost forgot to include the Lebanese people in that list.
They haven’t really done anything comparable to the Lebanese, but there is all kinds of places in the Middle East they covet.
Only because they haven’t had as much time and because Iran (a major ally of Lebanon) is much more capable of fighting back. The Israeli government officials have said similarly genocidal language as they have been saying about Palestinians.
Iran is an ally of Hezbollah, which is actually in competition with the (other?) Lebanese state. Iran’s also pretty tight with Palestinian Hamas.
Yeah, that’s true. Israel was specifically talking about Hezbollah when they said all of those things, but they are absolutely still massacring civilians, regardless of their ties to Hezbollah, as they are trying to seize land.
Iran does monetarilly support Hamas from what I understand, but they did not help militarilly defend either Hamas or Palestinians in Gaza when they were being massacred. It was only after Israel and the US attacked Iran directly that second time did Iran get involved militarilly.
Not just young people, but they help
Pubic and under arm hair. Body hair in general.
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Needoh consumption
Maybe not directly related to young age, but incompetence in problem solving is growing. This could be COVID era fallout.
My kid is a teacher and the newer generation of kids can’t do anything by themselves without explicit direction. They dont know how to help themselves. They have no life learned skill or curiosity, as they possible just were fed screen time as a babysitter.
This sounds a lot like gripes that older generations have always had about younger generations.
This sounds a lot like gripes that older generations have always had about younger generations.
But this younger generation is the youngest one yet!
degeneracy is a fun word
You don’t get it, it’s different this time ™
It does till you experience it, and think wtf. Like a sudden dropoff. So maybe all the phone bans across countries is a good thing.
I had a degreed engineer ask me to help them tally the count of screen objects because they kept losing track. There were just over 10 items. I told them they needed to discuss the issue with their manager because clearly that’s a problem.
A solution if you lose track while counting could be hand tally on paper, colour code the objects as you tally, use the system and select them all and read the selection count. But to call tech support for manual counting help is crazy.
The phone bans are a good thing
- person from country that has always had phone bans in schools
They aren’t well enforced (here)
- person from country that has always had phone bans in schools
That does sound extreme, but no more insane than older people who can’t complete basic tasks in a word professor application.
Not being able to count to the teens is beyond insane.
It’s not that they “can’t count to the teens”. The wording used in the OP was that they keep “losing track”. That’s very different and could suggest some kind of visual processing or attention issue rather than not understanding basic numeracy. Those kinds of issues are common intellectual disabilities that people can still succeed with if they find the right mechanisms to allow them to do the same tasks as other people.
I was born just before the death of the floppy disk and the number of people I’ve met who can say “I bet you don’t know what’s that symbol is based on” while also not knowing it saves your work is the reason I’m in mental health instead of tech.
Stupid has nothing to do with age.
It’s not insane, it’s divergent. There could be many reasons behind it.
Its one example, but the new engineers coming in expect people to solve their problem while they check their insta. Literally had my tech guy deployed to help a new engineer, as our guy demonstrates the software steps to solve the issue the guy needing help is doing personal social media checks… He though people just come do it for you when you get stuck. We have even had young supposed IT staff call in for support and they clearly have no skills on solving issues.
I think you might have replied to the wrong comment? I’m not sure how what you’ve posted is connected to what I wrote.
I actually never understood that part. Like VCR clocks flashing. Especially when this lady exists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVI6SCtVu4c
I had a degreed engineer ask me to help them tally the count of screen objects because they kept losing track. There were just over 10 items. I told them they needed to discuss the issue with their manager because clearly that’s a problem.
Dude, that’s not someone who didn’t learn to count, that’s someone experiencing a cognitive issue or who has a learning disability. Don’t be a dick. Just count the things. Please use your intact senses and faculties to help others when you have the opportunity.
I have a son with Down Syndrome so I know about learning disabilities. It wasn’t just that situation it was their whole approach to the job. As a hired engineer they get standardized training and then are expected to work on projects. This person (and many new recruits) would find that it was easier to call tech support, and then they’d ask us to complete the project and then and send the a file back. Thus me saying dude please talk with your manager.
They get standardized training which does not accommodate their special needs and doesn’t train them for what to do when they have special needs that are not being reasonably addressed by their workplace.
Dude, i gave the extreme example to illustrate, but I have watched the change. The new recruits want others do do the work for them when they get stuck. Like i mentioned in other replies ut wasnt isokated to counting, it was expectation.
My coworker was helping a guy who got stuck so was showing him the steps to solve instead of watching for next time he went on Insta. That’s not learning disabilities it is expectation that somebody else finds out the fix.
The person, as Engineer, asked IT to complete and engineering project for them, because they had another project due. Not only would that not be kosher for an engineering sign off, its also an ask that is ridiculous
Okay, but that sounds like something entirely different, it sounds like they’re cutting corners to do less work.
New recruits understand their job doesn’t matter and they shouldn’t put in any more effort than they have to, it’s the older people that think being an engineer is something to be proud of and put in the effort. What you’re observing is engineers treating their jobs the same as every other worker, because this is how everyone without a college degree has been for decades.
But that’s distinct from someone who struggles with counting to ten, which can only be described as a disability.
You sound like someone who can’t count to ten
Actually I’m someone that has a panic disorder. Instead of getting reasonable accomodations, I’m punished for having panic attacks. I’m sure the boomers think it’s because I’m a weak-minded young person or whatever.
But go off.
Even in the context that the person couldn’t count easily called the it help desk, they could raise it as an accessibility issue.
And the fun thing is, disability is the one minority group that anybody can join, if something bad happens to them, and making things more accessibile for the disabled usually improves the lives of everyone! Like curb cuts and elevators helping parents with strollers in greater numbers than the wheelchairs they are designed for.
Disability can even be temporary. A mother who cannot put her child down experiences life with one arm and mobility issues. Accommodating disability helps everyone, as you say.
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
Ok Clint Eastwood
This has been going on for generations. The world used to be a much more dyi, less prepackaged place. Each generation does less and less for themselves. I see the difference between my father’s generation and my own as well as between my generation and later ones. Shit, my grandfather built his own fucking house.
People once complained about people reading newspapers on public transit.
Nothing has actually changed.
A paper generates a lot less dopamine than candy crush
Everything has changed except human nature.
Your example shows how far cultural norms have shifted. Reading a paper around others is anti social in a culture where you are expected to interact with and give others your attention.
Each generation may react the same way to the new behaviors of the next generation, but that does mean those new behaviors do not form a consistent trend representing real change in the culture. In this case that trend is increasing individualism and weakening of community norms.
People already didn’t pay attention to one another; the conplainer was just using a convenient scapegoat. It’s smartphones now. It’ll be neural implants next century.
From what I understand, the kids who can figure things out, they read well, they can problem solve, they’re doing it really well. But the kids that my generation raised on iPads, didn’t work with them, didn’t let them go outside and play, didn’t let them fail, they really really can’t do anything.
It’s not that this generation is ALL fucked. It’s that the gap between the “smart” kids and the kids who got screwed is wider than usual. A lot of these kids are functionally illiterate. If they’re reading a paragraph and come across a word they don’t know, not only can they not figure out how to pronounce it but, they have no idea how to use context clues to figure out what it even means.
My 17 year old niece saw idiocracy for the first time recently. She compared it to half her high school. Some kid made fun of her recently for using the word “peculiar” because it’s apparently a big word no one has ever heard of before.
Social pressure to be dumb is a hell of a drug
Some idiots laughed at me once because I said “space” in a sentence and apparently that was some high science shit 💀 I felt more dumbfounded than bullied?
That’s how my niece felt. Like “how?? What??”
I have a 12 yo. Definitely a different childhood than I had, but not less helpless or ignorant than I was at that age. Less curious, i.e. in school and sciences, but that could be just a personality thing.
There are exceptions, but overall there a decline in self help or curiosity for self learning. We even see it at work with the new engineers.
I’m in the picture and i don’t like it.
I don’t want to read the 5 page manual when i only want o know a paragraph’s worth of informaion from it. The problem is, which paragraph 😭
And if i read the whole thing and remembered it, I would have a more complete mental model for next time.
But I’m typically drawn to breadth rather than depth. I read the whole TIS-100 game manual, but don’t usually manage to read man pages in full.
To be fair, it’s a cracker of a manual, and you cannot finish the game without being pretty familiar with it.
Yeah, it is one of the best manuals I’ve ever read.
Mocktails and thrifting, in North America.
Huh, interesting. This is something i associate more with millennials
Mocktails are definitely zoomers, IIRC millennials drink more like gen X. If you’re in an area that had the OG hipsters, remember they were all guzzling craft beer.
Thrifting might go back further, but it’s definitely a trend that continues.
Well certainly not Lemmy it seems 😝
I suggest that youth or young adults are a core contingent of pretty much every antifascist and climate movement. Those movements are growing as well.
The dicks of people in the Epstein files who are still not prosecuted
It’s hard to imagine why they would remove it; I can’t think of a way that this topic would be objectionable to anyone.
You’d be surprised, matey.
Conservative ideology.
Yeah, fascism.
