• Proton VPN has hit back at Canada’s proposed Bill C-22
• The proposed legislation could require VPNs to log user metadata
• NordVPN and Windscribe have also slammed the bill
• Proton VPN has hit back at Canada’s proposed Bill C-22
• The proposed legislation could require VPNs to log user metadata
• NordVPN and Windscribe have also slammed the bill
Noone is 100% trust worthy. I’ll still appreciate when they fight for the right things.
I agree nobody is 100% trustworthy, but as a side note Mullvad’s no-log policy has been proven fairly recently after they were raided and the police found nothing at all.
Proton was audited last year https://www.securitum.com/public-reports/securitum-protonvpn-nologs-2025.pdf
Idk how trustworthy securitum is, I don’t know them and I don’t know if these auditers are registered somewhere where you can report them if we later find out they lied.
They’ll fight, until the thing becomes Law, then they’ll stop fighting it because it would mean end of business. And ultimately, killing your business is not a good business decision, it turns out.
Proton has a long history of capitulation.
And they have a history of making promises they don’t keep.
In fact, it’s so bad that Proton defender @Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus wrote a warning about how their statement here is basically not to be trusted.
You think anyone is going to jail for you and your 10 bucks a month or whatever the subsxription cost is.
Direct your ire towards Proton and its false promises, please.
if 3 lines is a long comment for you, you should read more. For the others:
Thank you for sounding the alarm about the untrustworthiness of this company. Keep on keeping on, my anarchist friend.
name a VPN company that obstructed a federal court order
I’m holding a company to account for promising this.
Mullvad
source? I have heard good things about Mullvad but I’m pretty sure they would not break laws
https://mullvad.net/en/help/how-we-handle-government-requests-user-data
https://mullvad.net/en/help/no-logging-data-policy
https://mullvad.net/en/blog/mullvad-vpn-was-subject-to-a-search-warrant-customer-data-not-compromised
sounds like they complied with the court orders? Proton also doesn’t log IPs, unless ordered by court. I’m willing to bet that if a court ordered Mullvad to start logging all traffic, they would comply, at least until they were able to move jurisdictions or something
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holy shit someone on lemmy made a long comment, you say
What long history of capitulation?
@Photonic@lemmy.world, if you already knew Proton had a history of capitulation, why did you ask? Especially when the next thing you did was pretend it didn’t matter.
Mate, I sense a lot of anger in you. Try to calm down a bit. I’m not the enemy here. I want privacy just as much as you do.
Your definition of capitulation is a bit (and by a bit, I mean very much) exaggerated.
“Mate,” you got an answer to your question, but opted to brush it off in several ways. If you did care, take it up with Proton and stop being disingenuous here.
Disingenuous? The only disingenuous thing is calling someone else disingenuous just because they have a different opinion. Don’t ever call me disingenuous, because that’s not what I am.
Your definition of capitulation is absurd and the way you’re going into this discussion is nothing more than Trump-like and scummy. Kindly fuck off with your pedantic and paediatric behaviour and leave the grown-ups be.
Any service out there that would not comply with these orders, is a service that could not legally operate in these countries.
Direct your ire to Proton’s false advertising on their homepage!
Nowhere in that paragraph says that they will ignore the law.
mabeledo, the links prove they don’t bother practicing what they preach. They don’t even try, until public pressure gets too hot. You don’t need to be a corporate shill.
What a childish take.
Proton cannot operate outside of the law. Swiss laws may be privacy friendly, but that does not imply that court orders can be ignored.
But if you think so, then please name a single entity that after not complying with a court order, was still allowed to continue operations or was not fined.
Well, I know there are some cases. But they are still bound by Swiss law, or soon they will not have a company anymore.
It’s not perfect on privacy, but I wouldn’t call it “capitulation” either.
Proton’s homepage has a very different take on Swiss law.
And a very different public message about whether they would capitulate vs defending your freedom.
Well that’s actually what I said, isn’t it? Swiss law, which they have to abide by. Some of the strongest in the world, but not airtight for people who commit crimes.
The laws protect the company and the users privacy to a certain extent, but that also means Proton have the responsibility to uphold that law, or the law will be meaningless.
Getting into trouble by repeatedly purposely breaking the law is probably the easiest way for a company to get disbanded. No other companies will work with you, your server contracts will not be extended and you won’t get anything done.
And neutral is also probably a lawful type of neutral, judging from the many times they mention the law :)
It’s the exact opposite. Proton says Swiss law backs you. You say that Swiss law binds them to be against you.
If Proton said what you said, they wouldn’t be guilty of false advertising.
I never said that.
Being backed by the law also means working within the confinements of the law.
They’re not falsely advertising if they don’t specifically mention they are not going to break the law.
I don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept for you.
Sure. Tuta is better though.
No, it isn’t.
Oh pray tell how so? Because proton not only accepts people on blacklists as deserving to be there with no way to appeal, despite you know, things. But they also removed like thousands of people that the US government said they were suspicious of they sent them a list and they suspended all their email accounts, no appeal nothing. Based on the word of the United States government, a famously untrustworthy source. I say that as United States citizen.
You’re going to have to elaborate or rephrase this because I have no idea what you’re trying to say here
No they didn’t.
First of all the second part was in the news just like 6 9 months ago, I might not have an entirely right but that’s generally what they did, they took the word off governments over people. Second of all I happen to know they accept blacklists as trustworthy, I know because someone who isn’t me is on one and they refused them an account.
In truth they are Israel’s bitch. In short.
No they didn’t. Thats not “generally” what they did at all. You’re just spreading more misinformation that you admittedly aren’t even very confident about.
Do you have any proof of this? Or are you just going with “I heard from a guy”?
Is it this, or something else?
https://theintercept.com/2025/09/12/proton-mail-journalist-accounts-suspended/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45227316
I do read The Intercept but that article is not what I’m talking about, there’s something else that was a lot worse than that that they did just last year. Someone who isn’t me signed up for an account and it’s totally legit and was denied because they’re on a blacklist because Israel and there was no way to like appeal on proton.
I’d love to see that article if you can find it. I’ll add it to a folder’s worth of bookmarks that is growing larger than it should.
Because, for some reason on Lemmy, people think Proton is above criticism, and will defend the corporation’s false claims of fighting for their users when we have article after article proving the opposite
They’re not at all above criticism. The thing is all we have in the way of criticism is article after article of misinformation born from either technical ignorance or deliberate misrepresentation of the facts. None of which stand up to a moments scrutiny, much less “prove” anything.
On the more innocent side of the scale, you’ll have people chastising Proton over negatives that are entirely out of their control, and exist because they have to when operating as a public email provider. Then those same people will point people to alternatives like Fastmail or Tutanota that have all the same problems, but are less transparent about it.
Like if you want to make an argument against public email providers as a whole you can surely do so, but so far there’s really no evidence that Proton is anything but as good as you are reasonably going to get if you do decide to use one.
Ironic you made misinformation to claim this. It’s a strawman. Anyway
No, it’s their false advertisement that claims it is within their control.
I didn’t make any misinformation. Nor is there a strawman. If you think there is “article after article” of proof then feel free to provide a couple.
Like what exactly?
You claimed there was misinformation. Show us where you think it is. Don’t be a hypocrite.
I’d like to see those “articles over articles” that do not reference the one case that is cited over and over please.
You already educated everybody here that Proton is not to be trusted when it comes to logging. What do I get out of talking to you further, my anarchist friend? If you see a couple more articles, will you make a post condemning Proton’s false advertisement?
I’m more of a socialist than an anarchist, although i sympathize with anarchists - socialism and anarchism can have quite some overlap.
Any you really should work on your reading skills, because what i wrote and what you want to understand are two very different things. Since they don’t log IPs when not court ordered, no court can retroactively extract that data, and to be honest, if you know that you might attract government attention, using Tor or a VPN (yes, even ProtonVPN would have sufficed in this case) is basic OpSec - both would have prevented actionable intel being logged.
You sound like you would be absolutely outraged if you found out Proton marketed itself towards activists. Have you looked at the promises on their homepage recently?