For those who aren’t familiar with the term, it means believing something that probably shouldn’t be believed, or being influenced to believe something that’s not necessarily in your best interests.

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    I believed the USA was a liberal democracy full of concerned citizens. I also had faith in the financial system at one point!

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      In fairness before the Internet we could pretend people were decent and thoughtful. Facebook well and truly ended that.

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        Hahah socialism. Like subsidies for farmers who grow corn for ethanol? Or like subsidies for Amazon warehouses. Or should we only do socialism and when banks gamble to hard and collapse? Or socialism like getting a government/military jobs to avoid poverty?

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          Fallacious reasoning. I could also reference Stalin, breadlines, and the fact that the greatest famines in human history were the result of the authoritarian nature of socialism.

          We could discuss the pros and cons of specific policies but instead the “socialist” kool-aid drinkers just tend to rant about capitalism = bad and therefore socialism = good without any grasp of any nuance or willing to do any critical thinking.

          For example, with ethanol growing corn pulls carbon out of the air, burning the ethanol of course returns it back. It’s carbon neutral, which is significant because Global Warming is a real thing. Pulling oil from the ground and burning it is obviously not carbon neutral. Ethanol is a much better fuel than burning oil.

          Amazon was facing an anti-trust lawsuit: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/ftc-sues-amazon-illegally-maintaining-monopoly-power

          But something has changed in the last year, so now it’s drill, baby drill and corporations like Amazon can bribe the government to look the other way on their anti-competitive practices.

          You’ve probably been convinced “both sides are the same” because that is the belief of your group. But it’s in the the nature of cult behaviour to deny reality to conform to the group. Which is what the phrase “drinking the koolaid” is in reference to.

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            You know I picked the strawman out while I was skim reading this bullshit. Just wanted you to know whatever you typed was a huge waste of time. Because of the straw man in the last paragraph lol. I did get a lol outta the ethonol rebuttal. 1/10 bait

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        How to say you never studied government without saying you never studied government. Classic.

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        You say socialist like it’s a bad thing and it screams “I’m ignorant.”

        If you hate socialism stop using the things socialism provides you. Mail, paved roads, power and water delivered to your house, fire and police, education, etc. Socialism is a big part of why our lives are so decent despite the capitalist hellscape the billionaires are pushing. They’ve lied to you that social programs are why your taxes are so high; they’re high because the wealthiest among us aren’t paying a fair share.

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            All of that is infact socialism. Taxing individuals and creating community services. It’s like the core tenant or our education system which is socialist, even if it failed to teach you that. It’s the core tenant of social security and Medicare. Those third rail policies that everyone loves? It’s socialism.

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              None of that is socialism but alright I guess every country in the world is socialist so you’ve got what you want.

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                What’s the purpose of social security? A state run program to redistribute money from the working to the non working? A social safety net to protect vulnerable citizens.

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                    Socialism is when we say grandma shouldn’t die of poverty; communism is when we say eat the rich because grand ma died of starvations. Socialism can exist under a capitalist economy while communism cannot. Hope this helps, try reading a book sometime. Or using google maybe idk.

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                    Idk what’s the difference between Donald trump taking 10% of intel randomly and communism lol. Is seizing the means of production on behalf of the state a capitalism?

                    Can you describe capitalism for me before I describe communism?

                    Communism is a classless society imagined by Karl Marx and Circle jerked over for over a century by nerds and dictators who killed nerds alike. It’s also a strawman for people who don’t understand communism depending on who you ask. Now can you explain capitalism to me? I can understand being ignorant of communism, but I can’t understand being ignorant of the system that you live under, so could you please describe the basic economic system that you prescribed to?

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                Sure it is. Are you using a different definition of socialism? Who owns the schools?? Who owns the roads?

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          Thinking everything is a “hellscape” and only those in your group are enlightened enough to see a better way (those outside the group are “ignorant”) is what most people refer to as “drinking the koolaid”.

          Modern “socialism” is at best a grift, at worst a cult.

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            I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in…

            …don’t make me post the whole copypasta.

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        “socialist kool aid”

        If caring about others is kool aid, call me the kool aid man because I am about to burst through the glass ceilings and bring delicious nectar to all.