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    Dutch media is far less partisan than US media, which in turn is still far less state-controlled than Russian media. You’re fooling yourself if you want to pretend these are all the same.

    Furthermore, SocDem is not right-wing by even the farthest stretch of the imagination. It’s moderate left. If you want further left than that, there’s still small indie media for you. If you consider every voice out there to be compromised and right-wing, maybe the problem is you.

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      NRC is not Partisan? LOL.

      Dutch media copies US media to the tee.
      The difference is that it only follows US democrat media,
      until far-right movements popped up and one of them
      created a ‘US republican outlet’ show.

      There’s currently a wave of articles in the NRC going on about feminism,
      for the millionth time, about violence against women,
      because one teenage girl had been killed.
      Meanwhile, in Palestine we have hundreds of thousands of women and children dying of a genocide
      and it’s being completedly ignored.
      And that’s deliberate to pull wool over your eyes from the genocide our country is complicit in.

      If NRC condemned Israel like it does Russia, we’d have articles like these:
      “Name of person is resisting Israel for its human rights violations”
      “Israel keeps repeating it’s imperialistic tricks”
      “Netanyahu’s borders doesn’t stop at NATO’s borders”
      “The Liberal Party manoeuvres into the heart of a pro-Israeli network”
      etcetera, etcetera, etcetera

      And if NRC would be writing about Russia if it were Israel we’d have articles like these:
      “Greater-Russia has deep historical roots”
      “Russian parlement votes against the establishment of a Ukrainian state”
      “Why did Russia attack Ukraine and twelve other question.”
      “The Netherlands wants Russia to deliver proof that the murdered journalists were Azov nazis”
      “Russia air strikes Lithuanian military targets”
      “Putin’s long cherished air strike attack on Poland is also a welcoming diversion” “UK, France and Canada warn Russia that they will take concrete measures if Russia continues this war”

      And the problem here is that Russia actually has a legitimate reason for their invasion where Israel does not.

      When Ukraine got independent, pieces of Russia that the Soviet Union gave to Ukraine for administrative purposes came with it. It was accepted as Ukraine was thought to be a “sister nation” like Belgium to the Netherlands. Today Ukraine can no longer be trusted to safeguard its Russian population as it tries to join NATO and NATO is anti-Russia. Ukraine has been actively been suppressing its Russian population,
      including but not limited to machine gunning civilians trying to enter voting booths for the demand of independence from Ukraine.
      Russia’s response to that was demilitarization of Ukraine,
      targeting military only, with a record low amount of civilians killed per soldier.

      That’s very different from Netanyahu’s “Greater Israel” plan that tries to simply conquer 9 nations, most of them tacit allies, with zero historical roots to them, apart from parts of Palestine, but that already pales in comparison to the area south of Beersheba Israel already occupies that never were historically Israeli.
      Hamas did a desperate attack on Israel as Netanyahu publicly displayed part of his Greater Israel plan at the UN.

      Israel’s response to that is genocing, targeting civilians first and foremost.
      Women, children and hospitals first.

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        There’s currently a wave of articles in the NRC going on about feminism, for the millionth time, about violence against women, because one teenage girl had been killed. Meanwhile, in Palestine we have hundreds of thousands of women and children dying of a genocide and it’s being completedly ignored.

        If you know about the articles in NRC, you also know that they have many articles about Gaza, and yet you choose to lie about that. Why would you even think you can lie about that when I also have access to those articles?

        https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2025/08/23/wanhoop-in-gaza-stad-door-israelische-invasie-de-huidige-belegering-zal-leiden-tot-complete-vernietiging-a4903870

        https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2025/08/21/na-de-daverende-klap-van-de-raket-opent-israel-het-offensief-in-gaza-stad-a4903685

        https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2025/08/21/massa-arrestaties-in-het-verenigd-koninkrijk-wanneer-is-pro-palestijns-protest-terrorisme-a4903712

        https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2025/07/29/europees-geduld-met-israel-slinkt-maar-over-een-bescheiden-sanctie-is-eu-het-nog-niet-eens-a4901657

        https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2025/08/13/worden-de-palestijnen-diplomatiek-wisselgeld-voor-zuid-soedan-a4902927

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          If you know about the articles in NRC, you also know that they have many articles about Gaza, and yet you choose to lie about that. Why would you even think you can lie about that when I also have access to those articles?

          Because you can do both.
          You can ignore and highlight aspects of a story.
          Case in point is Donald Trump, the Epstein files and lots of distractions to ignore that, while still having highlighted a few aspects of it in the past and present.
          Just like the NRC highlighting some aspects of Israel’s genocide against Palestine,
          Donald Trump both can highlight some aspects of the Epstein files multiple times
          and still put key story aspects, like the fact that he’s in it, on ignore by using distractions.
          Stories of releasing Martin Luther King files, threatening Venezuela, Mexico
          and invoking national emergencies in cities with mayors or governers not totally aligned with his
          political viewpoints, sending the military there to detain and deport innocent civilians, are distractions
          to ignore his pedophile crimes.
          Or would you say “Why do people keep talking about the Epstein files?”
          is enough for a pedophile to get away with his crime and isn’t trying to make you ignore it,
          just because he mentioned the crime a couple of times?
          Because I personally think he’s burying one crime with another, dangling shiny keys in front of people in order to hope they’ll forget about their heinous crimes and it seems to be working.

          And NRC is no different.
          Like, I don’t know about you, but having a pedophile sex offender as your top ally,
          should maybe raise some concern about what the Netherlands is allied with,
          a pedophile fascist crime lord that takes orders from a genocidal regime,
          but it doesn’t seem to register with NRC now does it?
          I guess since NRC collaborated with Adolf Hitler before, that this stuff only comes natural to them. I guess their pro-fascism angle hasn’t really gone away at all.

          When NRC actually writes about the genocides done by Israel, it makes it look like Israel is having a picnic with Palestine.
          But there’s fully no going around the genocide when Israel is blasting their crimes for the world to hear and see
          and so pro-Israeli-fascism newspapers like NRC will try anything to distract the public from its heinous crimes
          and that includes pointing towards any domestic murdered woman or girl and calling that femicide
          when it’s absolutely clear that Isreal is currently conducting femicide as part of its genocide
          as it deliberately targets civilians before it targets the Palestinian military.

          So no, I’m not lying. NRC is publishing stories to ignore the Palestinian genocide.
          I tell the truth because none of those articles you mention comes even close to acknowdleging that a genocide is taken place there, making NRC is complicit in it, because it is complicit in the genocide.
          And those articles you posted proves it even further as constantly filters down Netanyahul’s heinous crimes
          in order to normalize them.

          The “feminist one-murder equals femicide” IS a giant and insulting distraction from a genocide that’s happening right now.
          A GENOCIDE!!!
          We’re not talking about kittens being ignored here,
          but hundreds of thousands of human lives being slaughtered like Jews slaughtered by Nazis.

          Just to illustrate two common denominators of the articles you posted:

          1. None of the articles mention the state of Palestine. They only mention Gaza. Have you noticed that? I have. You’d notice it too if Ukraine would be constantly mentioned as “the Ukraine” in any of the Dutch newspapers.
          2. None of these articles even mention Benjamin Netanyahu. Have you noticed that? I have. You’d notice it too if Benjamin Netanyahu would be constantly be referred to as dictator. And no, being elected doesn’t count. You can’t go “Netanyahu was democratically elected, therefore he’s not a dictator” and then turn around and take exception on every other elected leader by a majority of people bombarded as dictator by NRC, e.g. Putin, Maduro, Xi.

          Now let’s go through the articles you posted individually:

          When are pro-palestine protests terrorism?

          This is just soft pretense of resistance,
          when in fact NRC silently endorses the genocide of the Palestinians.
          The NRC refuses to give the rounding up of protesters by UK police as:
          “UK cracks down peaceful protesters calling for an end to the worst genocide in human history since the holocaust”
          Because that would be truthful instead of blaming the protesters for siding against genocide.

          Desperation in Gaza city by Israeli invasion will lead to a complete destruction

          They say destruction where they should be saying massacre.
          That would be truthful,
          but NRC always likes to use soft language to soothe you.
          NRC does this deliberately because
          NRC is complicit in this genocide.

          After a davastating blow of a rocket, Israel opens the offensive in gaza city

          NRC uses soft language again.
          Always does, always will,
          because it is complicit in this genocide.
          Do you think they would ever write this way when it comes to Russia?
          This completely ignoring that Israel is commiting a genocide there.

          European patience with Israel shrinking but doesn’t agree with a modest sanction.

          Why would the EU have patience with a genocide and why does it not seem to bother NRC?
          Meanwhile the EU has over a dozen sanctions on Russia and is running out of things to sanction with.
          And Russia isn’t commiting a genocide or going for “Greater Russia” world conquest.
          It is just defending the violent suppression of its own people
          that have been locked out of Russia’s borders during a collapse.

          Are the Palestinians becoming bargaining chips for South Sudan?

          This type of language NRC uses makes it seem that they want their readers
          to convince them that Palestinians should be seen as bargaining chips
          and not human beings.
          Or else, they would maybe, I don’t know, get mad at the people
          who told them so and write a little bit different about these diplomatic suggestions.

          You keep pretending that the NRC is somehow neutral in this conflict.
          It isn’t. It supports the Israeli genocide and will keep supporting it in any way possible.
          This can and will include distractions because otherwise they’d actually have to write about the truth again.

          But I guess you want to keep a blind eye to this and pretend that the NRC is non-partisan,
          just like it was “non-partisan” during world war II.
          The new extreme right that the NRC is wholly supporting
          is now ironically supporting Israelis to commit multiple genocides,
          as they’ve already made clear that they won’t stop at Palestine. ___

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      You’re still equating private funding with independence. Further, social democrats are capitalists, by definition they are right wing. There are exceedingly few leftist voices except for small indie media, across the west, and these voices get drowned out by the huge private mass media corporations that are just mouthpieces for wealthy owners.

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        They exist, though. They’re worth listening to. Critically, of course, as with all media.

        social democrats are capitalists,

        Yet they are also socialists. By definition. They’re trying to find a balance, and have at times been quite successful.

        Seriously, read up on the history of socialism. There’s a lot more to it than you probably think.

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          Yes, leftist news is worth listening to, but these are by no means the common news sources in the west. Social democtats are not socialists, you cannot be both a capitalist and a socialist. Believe me, I have done reading on the history of socialism, I’m a communist.

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          Lol. I do not understand how people can be so simultaneously ignorant and arrogant on a subject.

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      SocDem is not right-wing by even the farthest stretch of the imagination

      “Social Democracy objectively represents the moderate wing of Fascism.” - J. V. Stalin

      https://marxistleninist.wordpress.com/2010/04/13/bourgeois-democracy-and-fascism/

      Even after the victory of fascism, the influence, ideology and traditions of Social Democracy continue their baleful and disorganising role, preventing the emergence of a united working class front to confront and defeat fascism. Further, if fascist dictatorship’s grip on power weakens, then Social Democracy stands in wait to come to the rescue of capitalism.

      What is beyond doubt is that both Social Democracy and fascism are agents of monopoly capitalism; both fight tooth and nail against the struggle of the working class for its social emancipation. With this as their aim, both disrupt and weaken working-class organisations.

      Their methods are, however, different. While fascism smashes the class organisations of the working class from without and opposes their whole basis and counters them with an alternative ‘national’ ideology, Social Democracy undermines them from within by diverting them along reformist bourgeois channels. Whereas fascism relies mainly on coercion, along with deception, Social Democracy relies mainly on deception, along with coercion. Their aims are identical; only their methods differ. In view of the identity of their aims and differing methods, one cannot but agree with Stalin’s observation, made as early as 1924, that “Social Democracy objectively represents the moderate wing of Fascism.” (Concerning the International Situation, Collected Works, vol 6, p.294)

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      Eh… DemSoc is left wing while SocDem is basically welfare capitalism these days.

      In modern practice, social democracy has taken the form of predominantly capitalist economies, a robust welfare state, policies promoting social justice, market regulation, and a more equitable distribution of income.

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        Read your own link, man. It calls Democratic Socialism a wing of Social Democracy. Also, why do you not also share the article about Social Democracy itself?

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

        Now, you would be correct if you merely argued that many Labour movements dipped to moderate right with their embrace of neoliberalism in the 1990s, but outside of that, they’ve been moderate left. But SocDem has always been considered various degrees of left. Sometimes not even moderately so.