I have. And yet I never had the feeling that my club’s achievements were mine, unless I had contributed to them. And even then, I was just proud to have been part of the team with which I achieved the performance. I can differentiate very well.
And even then, I was just proud to have been part of the team with which I achieved the performance.
Isn’t that what the patriotic people experience as well?
They vote, they pay taxes, they’re sometimes politically active. From their point of view, they’ve contributed to the success of their country, and they’re proud of it?
They vote, they pay taxes, they’re sometimes politically active. From their point of view, they’ve contributed to the success of their country, and they’re proud of it?
Does that work the same way when the country performs its atrocities? Everyone becomes implicit in those crimes because they voted and paid taxes that is used to kill civilians abroad? Or it just applies for “feel good” reasons?
Just because you do what most people do, doesn’t validate being proud of other peoples hard work that actually bring change.
Nationalism becomes unhealthy in such endeavours. So no, it doesn’t apply.
Much like cheering for your local sports team is ok. Going to the other town to fight them isn’t. But just because you cheer on your team and want the to win, doesn’t implicate you for the actions of others.
I think most people who are sensible but claim pride for some collective achievement or team or whatever, do so outwardly mostly because it’d be tiring to always include a philosophy lecture about distinction and differentiating between one’s own and others’ achievements. When we think about it actively, we can realize the faults and the details and could put them in words, but who the fuck has the patience to go in depth about all that each time they state they are proud of their team, their friends, etc.?
It’s just easier to say I’m proud of team xyz and hope the other party has the mental facilities to understand that it’s not a simple matter when you break it to pieces and start philosophing about it, but it’s just convenient and more prudent not to go into details or full analysis mode on all that every time…
Have you ever played a team sport?
I have. And yet I never had the feeling that my club’s achievements were mine, unless I had contributed to them. And even then, I was just proud to have been part of the team with which I achieved the performance. I can differentiate very well.
Isn’t that what the patriotic people experience as well?
They vote, they pay taxes, they’re sometimes politically active. From their point of view, they’ve contributed to the success of their country, and they’re proud of it?
Does that work the same way when the country performs its atrocities? Everyone becomes implicit in those crimes because they voted and paid taxes that is used to kill civilians abroad? Or it just applies for “feel good” reasons?
Just because you do what most people do, doesn’t validate being proud of other peoples hard work that actually bring change.
Nationalism becomes unhealthy in such endeavours. So no, it doesn’t apply.
Much like cheering for your local sports team is ok. Going to the other town to fight them isn’t. But just because you cheer on your team and want the to win, doesn’t implicate you for the actions of others.
Absolutely correct.
I think most people who are sensible but claim pride for some collective achievement or team or whatever, do so outwardly mostly because it’d be tiring to always include a philosophy lecture about distinction and differentiating between one’s own and others’ achievements. When we think about it actively, we can realize the faults and the details and could put them in words, but who the fuck has the patience to go in depth about all that each time they state they are proud of their team, their friends, etc.?
It’s just easier to say I’m proud of team xyz and hope the other party has the mental facilities to understand that it’s not a simple matter when you break it to pieces and start philosophing about it, but it’s just convenient and more prudent not to go into details or full analysis mode on all that every time…