Lemmy leans left / anti-imperialist, and the left generally considers the Palestinian Authority traitors or collaborationists, somewhat analogous to Irish Freestaters
the left generally considers the Palestinian Authority traitors or collaborationists
Not so much that they want Israeli settlers to murder them. The PA his historically operated as a kind-of Vichy Republic to the Israeli fascist regime. But the outright genocide that the IDF is facilitating goes well beyond what any PA official has ever condoned, much less participated in. This is the difference between a police state and a gas chamber.
Nobody on “The Left” is advocating that mid-level Palestinian bureaucrats be starved to death under siege or tortured to death by tweaked out Settlers.
There is no other way to call the people who collaborate with israel for israel security while doing nothing against the settlers terrorists that are supported and armed by israel
I mean, the armed struggle angle ain’t exactly carrying much water for the people of Gaza rn either. Seems like a real rock and a hard place choice to make.
PA way ain’t carrying much water either. Israel always wanted the whole land since the beginning. While the pa is respecting all of oslo accords israel keep stealing more lands and keeping palestinians
It’s literally in the oslo accords . Israel didn’t respect it and continued building settlements and armed and defended the terrorist settlers. So PA should stop cooperation and security collaboration that only serve israel occupation but they are traitors so they kept helping israel
This an example of a Palestinian was arrested and tortured just for protesting israel genocide in gaza . He is not part of any Palestinian armed factions
So being praised for not supporting Hamas after they attacked Israel and started a war makes you a traitor to Gaza?
Fuck Hamas. They don’t get to call themselves Gaza or Palestine. They are the same kind of filth that’s responsible for the genocide in Gaza. All these genocidal maniacs can please fuck off and leave normal peaceful people the fuck alone.
So not at all “after they attacked Israel and started a war” but rather before.
You have your timeline muddled. The Palestinian Authority have been working with Israel since '93. They killed Nizar Banat for speaking against them in 2021.
You said “So being praised for not supporting Hamas after they attacked Israel and started a war makes you a traitor to Gaza?” Your point just doesn’t really make sense. You’re speaking as though history starts in October 2023.
Again, what have you read about Palestinian politics / the PA / the Oslo Accords?
Israel started the war by continuing occupation. Israel is the only one responsible for the genocide. It was always the case that the occupier is responsible for everything including terrorists attacks by the occupied
So being praised for not supporting Hamas after they attacked Israel and started a war makes you a traitor to Gaza?
Collaborating with an occupying force that arms settler terrorists and protect them and kill normal palestinians make you are traitors. Is that so hard to understand?
No, Hamas crossing the border and purposely targeting and murdering civilians was not justified, just like Israel doing it to civilians is not justified. Set aside your blatant bias and maybe you’ll be able to use your brain properly.
I never said that 7 of october was justified . There is no bias about supporting the occupied not the occupier while you using the occupier tslking points
There is no other way to call the people who collaborate with israel for israel security while doing nothing against the settlers terrorists that are supported and armed by israel
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Traitors how?
Also, that would mean everyone who stormed the capital shouldn’t be allowed here (agreed), but that isn’t happening…
Literally anyone born in another country is ipso facto an enemy of the Glorious American Empire.
Your very existence is an affront to the sensibilities of our nation’s leadership.
Lemmy leans left / anti-imperialist, and the left generally considers the Palestinian Authority traitors or collaborationists, somewhat analogous to Irish Freestaters
Not so much that they want Israeli settlers to murder them. The PA his historically operated as a kind-of Vichy Republic to the Israeli fascist regime. But the outright genocide that the IDF is facilitating goes well beyond what any PA official has ever condoned, much less participated in. This is the difference between a police state and a gas chamber.
Nobody on “The Left” is advocating that mid-level Palestinian bureaucrats be starved to death under siege or tortured to death by tweaked out Settlers.
There is no other way to call the people who collaborate with israel for israel security while doing nothing against the settlers terrorists that are supported and armed by israel
I mean, the armed struggle angle ain’t exactly carrying much water for the people of Gaza rn either. Seems like a real rock and a hard place choice to make.
PA way ain’t carrying much water either. Israel always wanted the whole land since the beginning. While the pa is respecting all of oslo accords israel keep stealing more lands and keeping palestinians
Yeah, pretty much. Really awful all around
what about a palestinian is a traitor? you must mean zionists.
A traitor is someone within your group or country. A palestinian who collaborate with isrsel is a traitor there is no other way to call
who said they collab with zionists?
It’s literally in the oslo accords . Israel didn’t respect it and continued building settlements and armed and defended the terrorist settlers. So PA should stop cooperation and security collaboration that only serve israel occupation but they are traitors so they kept helping israel
Soft on israel, tough on palestinian civilians
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/23/palestine-authorities-crush-dissent
This an example of a Palestinian was arrested and tortured just for protesting israel genocide in gaza . He is not part of any Palestinian armed factions
https://aohr.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/The-Palestinian-Authority-Continues-to-Detain-Mahdi-Abu-Awad.pdf
what the fuck are you talking about? “israel” is a terrorist region run by zionists. the only legit nation state in the area is palestine.
anyone who crushes dissent against israel is, very true, a fucking piece of shit.
where in this article though does it say that is happening?
I am talking about the pa leadership who collaborate with the terrorist state of israel ruled by the supermasist and occupation ideology of zionism
gotcha. i agree.
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hj00b11cxrex
ok so those cohorts? yeah. i couldnt really grok the entire first article since the site is such mobile horseshit.
Comment calling Palestinians who take arms from Israel to kill other Palestinians “traitors” was removed for “racism”.
???
I was so shocked when i notice it
Explain?
He means this sort of thing: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-army-chief-praises-pa-collaborators-occupied-west-bank / https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/jalal-abukhater/palestinian-authority-stands-way-palestinian-struggle
So being praised for not supporting Hamas after they attacked Israel and started a war makes you a traitor to Gaza?
Fuck Hamas. They don’t get to call themselves Gaza or Palestine. They are the same kind of filth that’s responsible for the genocide in Gaza. All these genocidal maniacs can please fuck off and leave normal peaceful people the fuck alone.
What have you read about Palestinian politics / the PA / the Oslo Accords?
In there a clause in there that justified purposely targeting and murdering women and children and random people at a music festival?
If not then it has no relevance to anything I’m talking about.
Read up on basic human rights and decency.
Read about PA torturing political oppositions
When was that?
Read the context in article i replied to and maybe it’ll be more obvious to you what specific attack I’m referring to.
So not at all “after they attacked Israel and started a war” but rather before.
You have your timeline muddled. The Palestinian Authority have been working with Israel since '93. They killed Nizar Banat for speaking against them in 2021.
You said “So being praised for not supporting Hamas after they attacked Israel and started a war makes you a traitor to Gaza?” Your point just doesn’t really make sense. You’re speaking as though history starts in October 2023.
Again, what have you read about Palestinian politics / the PA / the Oslo Accords?
Israel started the war by continuing occupation. Israel is the only one responsible for the genocide. It was always the case that the occupier is responsible for everything including terrorists attacks by the occupied
Collaborating with an occupying force that arms settler terrorists and protect them and kill normal palestinians make you are traitors. Is that so hard to understand?
No, Hamas crossing the border and purposely targeting and murdering civilians was not justified, just like Israel doing it to civilians is not justified. Set aside your blatant bias and maybe you’ll be able to use your brain properly.
This happened many years after the PA’s collaborations
I never said that 7 of october was justified . There is no bias about supporting the occupied not the occupier while you using the occupier tslking points
There is no other way to call the people who collaborate with israel for israel security while doing nothing against the settlers terrorists that are supported and armed by israel