fuck offffff
This is really about training AI, isn’t it. They’ve tapped nearly all the sources of human text output already, so now they want to create as much more of it as possible, as quickly as possible. They will tap into conversations and use it as a new data source, mark my words.
“There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!” — Mario Savio, 1964
I got GrapheneOS
Creeps
GrapheneOS, asap Pixel owners.
Thank me later.
Outside of the MASSIVE security concerns that this would present, this would be an immensely helpful feature for me.
Yeah, me too. But I find not getting really hammered achieves a similar thing. I’m working on that.
I saw this title and immediately said “fuck off” then clicked, and …glad to see OP sharing my immediate sentiment.
Do not want
JFC, I don’t need tech tracking every goddamn word and fart.
I will happily send them all the farts they want.
Dumb phones are about to start trending more and more every day.
The Commodore Callback has perfect timing haha.
Really the only thing I’d miss with it is Google Wallet and Android Auto.
My only barrier to it is the T9 text input. I’m constantly writing notes on my phone. I would have a hard time if I had to T9 every note in.
I recently got rid of my smart watch when Samsung enshitified it and locked a bunch of features like weather updates behind an account, years after I bought the watch.
Now I have a dumb mechanical watch (quartz crystal, not spring winding) that will last years before I need to replace the battery. Everything it does, it does better than a smart watch. Not having to do the wrist flick gesture 1-3 times to check the time has been amazing. And I’m not constantly broadcasting Bluetooth anymore.
And graphene OS, maybe
Until Google decides to lock them out of any sort of verification process.
By then Motorola will have shipped the first round of “with Graphene pre installed” devices, assuming they stay with their plan.
The people who called me crazy because “there’s no way your phone can be listening in on you all the time” are the same people who are going to be the most excited about this “feature”
How did these people expect “Hey Siri” / “Hey Google” to work?
Im a perfect world, as they claim, its a secondary system listening that isn’t recording or transmitting anything, and is meant to be low power. If it hears the wake up word, it wakes up the other mic and starts recording.
Thats how they claim the smart speakers work anyway.
This would be different.
“How they claim?” Is there no way to confirm that?
I have a memory of people black boxing it and seeing power usage and network traffic that supported the claims but that was a snapshot in time and as others note its all proprietary.
It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation, but you can lose it in a minute.
They ship with proprietary code, this would be the point of open source.
In practice in my experience, every company is at least skirting the law regarding privacy, and I never worked for one big enough that could lobby itself out of a fine.
would this not be detectable by tracking the data sent through your network?
I used to run forensic network capture and analysis tools.
First thing, traffic is encrypted. All you will see is a blob of traffic passing through. You used to see hostnames with TLS, but now with quic, you see nothing. This makes it hard.
You could root the phone and install a root ca certificate for a decrypting proxy, you might see more, but the data itself (not just the transport protocol) could be encoded or even encrypted within the network encapsulation.
Next, you’d have to reverse engineer the protocol if they’re using something nonstandard. Also, malware can often be set up to “behave” when it can detect analysis. I’m all but certain Google would do this.
Maybe you could do statistical analysis of the traffic and attempt to baseline normal vs when it’s transmitting audio. It would be a bit of a blind guess at best.
If I had more time, I’d love to try it. I have an old pixel7 pro. Maybe I can sort something out.
If its real time monitoring you, but not if its logging data to send later when it would be expected to be doing so.
Audio doesnt take up much space.
Even if it was open source, you’d need to be able to verify what they ship matches the specs. Allowing you to flash whatever you want onto it helps, but you still need to validate the hardware.
I dont know. You’d need to reverse engineer the hardware and software to be confident, and could a OTA update then sneak a bypass in anyway?
Edit: i think Amazon might have abandoned this as well and always records on echos now too.
Doesn’t need to track you all the time to know exactly who you are and what you’re up to.
Continuously monitoring is such a waste of their resources, they already know everything about you, they just need to check in now and then to make sure you’re buying the correct t-shirts.
Fuck you this is my idea
Even if no one else could access it because it stayed on my device, I’m sure it’ll be used for categorizing “advertising cohort” stuff again.
It sucks having to be so skeptical. With my severe ADHD something like this would be enormously helpful for remembering conversations others I talk to remember just fine but I don’t.
Here’s the larger problem: other people will have this bullshit turned on and the microphones will receive the speech audio of everyone in their vicinity. It’s fully breaking consent to be recorded for others.
I do not care what they might say about “listening only to the owner” or whatever they will claim. If it’s recording with a microphone, then it will receive sound.
Now turn it into a black mirror episode where the corporation controls your memories
Can’t wait for the gaslighting marketing option. Google: “remember that you wanted to buy this?”
Constant surveillance 😡
Audio memories 😍
BIG BROTHER IS
WATCHING YOU
HELPING YOU REMEMBER YOUR IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS
