eww, daily mail.
Maybe headlines like this stick in my head, but it seems there’s a rather large rape problem in Pakistan and India.
There’s a very concerted effort by certain European publications to sensationalize crime by immigrants from India and Pakistan. Kinda similar to publications in usa to sensationalize crime by black and muslims
I’ve seen commentary about the rape culture in India in their media and media personalities. The movie Robot had a pretty heavy bus scene and the whole movie seems like it’s skirting around the India censorship board. Indian actresses will sometimes comment on the topic, but get told it’s embarrassing to bring it up.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2014/7/10/indias-bollywood-speaks-out-against-rape
Off screen, its stars have usually avoided commenting on sensitive social and political issues. However, the anti-rape protests following the 2012 Delhi gang-rape have led to a noticeable change.
A handful of stars, like Shabana Azmi and Nandita Das, were known for their social activism, but in the year-and-a-half since the Delhi gang-rape, others have spoken out. Actress Kareena Kapoor Khan has thrown her weight behind an emergency cellphone app for women’s safety; others have taken to the streets in demonstrations; and some like Abraham have used other media platforms to air their protest against rape.
There’s over 1.5 billion people there and the British Empire connection means they’re in the Anglosphere media. By raw numbers yes of course there’s a lot of crime, there’s a lot of pretty much everything.
Oh, the other day I travelled down to Claire, sir
I spied an old boreen
Such a bunch of busy gooses there, sir
Dressed in orange, white and green
They were marching to the German Goose step
And whistling Grann na bheal
And every time I show up
They would shoot me as a yeoman
Said the man from the Daily Mail
Pakistanis who gang-raped
It’s two guys.
Please don’t ever post this disgusting racist rag.
Ok? Are you saying it’s racist because it said they were pakistani? That’s not racism.
Gang rape: the rape of one person by several attackers in succession
Are you quibbling over two vs several? Or are you insinuating the title would be different if they were white? Because I’ve definitely seen the term applied to all races and any number of attackers.
Personally I don’t think we should worry that much about being politically correct when we’re talking about convicted sexual predators.
The site is called Daily Rag for a reason. They’ve always been running sensationalist and racist stories since its inception:
“There landed yesterday at Southampton from the transport Cheshire over 600 so-called refugees, their passages having been paid out of the Lord Mayor’s Fund. . .There was scarce a hundred of them that had, by right, deserved such help, and these were the Englishmen of the party. The rest were Jews. . .They fought and jostled for the foremost places at the gangways. . .When the Relief Committee passed by they hid their gold and fawned and whined, and, in broken English, asked for money for their train fare.” Daily Mail, February 3, 1900
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/08/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices
I can’t find the article, but i remember seeing an anti-refugee headline from them at the outbreak of the Second World War.
Yeah.
The relentless upvoting of tabloids may be my biggest issue with Lemmy. Information hygiene here is terrible, and the users don’t seem to care.
One time, calling this out, the OP of a news post responded that they didn’t care an article was fake. It was upvoted to the front page and never got removed.
how was the posted story racist?
it’s not the story that’s racist, it’s the magazine that is. they select stories based on whether they fit their narrative, which is that foreigners = evil, and that’s why they’re even reporting about this.
this has nothing to do with reporting about facts; this has everything to do with manipulating people to think in a certain way.
There’s always a fash trying to sanewash The Rag.
Because anyone that talks about how Islam countries actually are and act is “islamiphobeic”. You’re instantly accused of being racist as a shitty defense for pointing out facts. Atheist myself and I think all religions are pieces of shit, but Islam as practiced in modern times is factually probably one of the worst religions. People of all religions do horrible things, but the amount of cruelty, murder, and rape under the guise of Sharia law is absolutely unparalleled in the modern world.
Average enlightened Westerner. You’re probably posting this from a taken land in the US, a slave owning setller colonial state built on the blood of at least 150 million true americans.
i mean i’m not OP but to further your point i live in california and the entire town i live in used to be a [not saying the tribe] graveyard. Every time they zone an area for new houses the tribe comes out, searches the land, and rehomes the artifacts.
we joke about having a ghost in our microwave. it’s one of those touchpad bullshits instead of real buttons. so if you use the microwave while cooking, with dirty hands, and leave a smudge, well. The fun part is that you don’t know when it will turn itself back on thinking a greasy smudge is a real finger touch. We’ve named the “ghost” Jeff and think it’s absolutely absurd.
so like, living in a house with a haunted microwave on an ancient indian graveyard? Yeah, that’s me.
Let the victims do it.
Ah, yes, sure, let’s have a raped and traumatized mother and children and push them to murder too on top of everything. What could possibly go wrong
Pakistan executes rapists, we elect them.
“We” do not as I am not from the US, nor are many other lemmings.
As long as OP is from the US, the sentence is correct.
If the epstien files are any indication. Yeah you probably did
It’s a global issue, scum rises to teh top, and the same ones are everywhere.
One instance doesn’t mean Pakistan is for women. This incident happened in 2020. It’s just because of the protests that led to the arrests.
Pakistanis will kill a woman for being a Hindu. It’s a one religion state. Pakistan also sponsors terrorism and extreme Jihadists who believe women must wear burkhas all the time. It is a failed state that borrows money from the west just to keep itself floating and sponsor terrorism.
They executed a Christian dude for not giving a guy a discount for being a muslim. Apparently during the argument, he committed “blasphemy”
So the executed the guy for blasphemy, not for not giving a discount. I’m sure he drank water that day too, but they didn’t exacute him for drinking water.
Still a ridiculous thing to kill someone for, but let’s not mix facts.
Yeah, there are a lot of issues, but no Epstein.
Heck, Iran is more progressive than MAGA FFS.
It is a failed state that borrows money from the west
Close, replace borrows with funded, they’re funded by the west, US particularly
If you borrow but never repay, that becomes funding, I guess
After the Hindus murdered them for being Muslim.
two wrongs don’t make a right.
It also led to mass protests across Pakistan, after a policeman questioned why the woman had been out late on her own.
The day after the attack, a senior police official in Lahore, Umer Sheikh, appeared in front of the media and implied the woman was partly to blame.
He questioned why she had not taken a busier road, given that she was alone with her young children.
Man what a terrible take. Her car broke down, she had the doors locked, and they broke the windows and dragged her out before raping her at gunpoint. She was also a foreign tourist, and can’t be expected to know all the good/bad parts of town imo.
And people wonder why many don’t want to travel to certain countries. WTF.
why do tourist still go to these places?
like a brown person going to America in 2026
like i’m not blaming her and fuck that cop but why would you risk going there, minorities coming for the world cup are crazy given current america
or people that visit north korea
Because “these places” are beautiful and most tourists have great experiences.
The vast majority of people are ignorant, stupid, or both. Once you stop expecting the world will live up to any minimum standard of behavior, then you free yourself of much mental load.
And that’s why all those victim blamers need to punished.
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I might be stupid,
Go on…
Tge entire Indian subcontinent is unsafe for women w/o a good justice system. Marital rape is still legal in India.
Daily Mail? If there’s no better source, it didn’t happen to me.
i mean normally news should be news, but daily mail is toxic enough to justify boycotting it.
BBC good enough?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56472645
The BBC article is from 2021, when the original verdict was made. The Daily Mail update here is just saying that the appeal failed and the death sentence is confirmed.
The Daily Mail is sensationalist, but they didn’t make this up.
https://www.dawn.com/news/2004896
https://www.aol.com/articles/two-gunmen-raped-mom-her-175157000.html
French media:
That they choose to report on it at all is not because it’s newsworthy, but because they want to stoke tensions.
The Daily Mail is sensationalist, but they didn’t make this up
Ya ok but there are probably 100 other incidents of gang rape at the same time that they completely ignored because the perpetrator werent brown… those stories didnt fit their agenda I guess
thank you! AOL is a news aggregator and it’s just mirroring The Mirror here, another illrepute sensationalist tabloid, but dawn and figaro seem good
Every part of that sentence escalated quickly.
We should do the same. No place for ppl like that in any civile society. Either death sentence or castration plus prison
Ever heard about wrongful convictions?
We have litteral tool that doesn’t let any doubt regarding that matter. It s such a terrible bad argument that it never applied in any other situation.
What “literal tool” is that?
Dna CCTV localisation any numeric trace
https://senseaboutscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/making-sense-of-forensic-genetics.pdf
“”“A subsequent investigation revealed that Mr Scott had become implicated as a result of accidental contamination of samples within the lab. The day before processing samples from the alleged rape victim, the lab had handled a DNA sample from Mr Scott, following a ‘spitting incident’ in Exeter, UK. Unfortunately the disposable plastic plate used to analyse this sample had been inadvertently reused in the rape case, resulting in the misidentification.”“”
Not to mention corrupt cops and prosecutors.
Why the need to kill people? Why not just isolate them? Do you think it’s actually more practical to kill them or it’s just so you can feel better knowing they are dead?
Practical, economical, dissuasive and also justified.
Your paper is about dna profiling and not matching.
It’s not economical, it’s common knowledge that the whole appeal process is more expensive then housing someone for life:
It’s also not dissuasive:
It’s actually good that you’re uninformed. You can educate yourself and this may help you evolve your opinions beyond primitive ideas of justice like “eye for an eye”.
(profiling is part of matching, you match DNA profiles, you don’t sequence the entire genome).
Could just have a death sentence be only passed when there’s beyond doubt of guilt and have it approved by the head of state
Could just have a death sentence be only passed when there’s beyond doubt of guilt
This is the reason civil societies have mostly done away with the death penalty, simply because we cannot ever be 100% we have the guilty people. We like to think the court systems are infallible, but they sure arent.
I’d say it’s probably the biggest argument against the death penalty tbh. But then, at the same time, innocent people have died serving life sentences also.
Aren’t all conviction in US beyond doubt like… by definition? And there are always reviews and appeals and request for clemency to heads of states. And innocent people were executed many many times.
Isn’t all this common knowledge by now?
I basically mean cctv footage where it’s clearly them, or a guilty plea
https://innocenceproject.org/coerced-pleas/
Do you people not read at all?
I wasn’t referring to underdeveloped disorderly countries.
Like US?
At some point saying that we ard only sure at 99.99% and not 100% so we fan t do anything about it is utterly ridiculous. No system is perfect and yet u use that argument at the age of cctv dna test and so on
You can do plenty of things but in a civilized country we tend not to punish people in brutal ways just to get some satisfaction. We isolate them, make sure they can’t hurt anyone and try to rehabilitate them.
And we do this, among other things, because systems are not perfect and doing irreversible harm to people is problematic. Even with CCTV and DNA tests.
For context, I’m thinking more of a recent murder case that happened in the UK. Basically a sikh guy stabbed a British student, then called the police on him accusing him of racism. Police arrived and handcuffed the dying student as he bled out, dying on the ground in handcuffs. The Sikh’s family were complicit
Obviously, a whole myriad of immigration tension has arisen again (happened with the southport stabbings also) and people are rioting.
I think if we publicly executed people who carried out these atrocities, it would quench the general public’s bloodthirst and restore order, hopefully reducing hate crimes on the innocent immigrants.
Public executions… yeah, that would bring back the good times for sure.
Doing irrevserible harm to ppl is problematic ☝️🤓
Pls, no country on earth has the ressource to rehabilitate every criminal nor they should try. U cant just look me in the eyes and say to me yeah he was a neo nazi that killed 20 ppl in a place of cult but have you thinking about his rehabilitation and how horrible you will be if you think it will be a net positive for society if we kill him ?
Mother of god you really are a fucking moron… Every day I grow more and more weary existing here.
Implying people get locked up when there is still reasonable doubt? That sounds like a massive problem.
It does happen, such as Lucy Letby. I don’t think she should be executed.
We should do the same. No place for ppl like that
Are you in the US? I have some bad news for you then…
Nop.I’m in an european country that way too lenient with criminals. Recent case we have an active disparition alert of a 10yo. The suspect had several complaint against him send to the police for several rape on multiple minor. This was more than on year ago. Nothing had been done. He was never auditioned. Coountry is France.
No place for them in society as they were, but rehabilitation is always possible, always desired. There will be a place for them after rehabilitation.
We have to trust that system. If we don’t, then what’s the point of prisons in the first place? If nobody can ever change, then they’ll always just remain a threat and there’s no sense keeping everyone in prisons indefinitely. Either we believe they can rehabilitate or we should just kill everyone who’s ever unfit for society, I suppose, no?
Ceremonial killing, executions, are an antithesis to the concept of prisons, rehabilitation. It’s never just, if we have a belief that people can and will change.
Its only use would be to act as a scare of some sort, but a lifetime of forced life, contained in cells, always watched, always mistreated, never a chance for a dignified life, is way more of a scare than death. Death is easy. Death is quick. It’s merciful in comparison.
A temporary stay at a prison without the belief of anyone being able to rehabilitate, is just deferring and allowing further crimes and violence in future.
So we have to believe people can change. Because they can, and they do.
And if we hold that belief, killing is not only killing the misfit in question, today, but also any potential good deeds and meaningful life they might’ve lead after rehabilitation. It’s killing someone, in future, who deserves not to die.
I never understand people who advocate for temporary jail stints and death sentences at the same time. It never makes sense, it’s irrational.
what’s the point of prisons in the first place
Depends on who you ask. But, there’s plenty of people that believe strongly in a punitive system. Prison is primarily for punishment and retribution–the state empowering the (assumed) revenge desires of the victims. If there was a painless way to execute someone they wouldn’t want to use it; the suffering of the convicted is a feature, not a bug.
I agree with you that we should focus and rehabilitation and restoration, but the U.S. prison-industrial complex is not actually currently oriented with that being the primary purposes.
Oh my god
Rehabilitation is always possible.
No it s not and even some ppl don’t deserve it simply. When u do some heinous shit you pay the conséquence for it and your wellbeing and repentance isn’t my concern.
Right, so you say some deserve the chance and some don’t. Who or what makes the call? I bet the Arab countries that lynch homosexuals for example, they think and reason the same as you. So their well-being isn’t your concern? Or do you consider yourself the better moral compass? Should you make all the calls then? Or do you simultaneously judge others making the same rationale, but with different principles/rules, and advocate for the very same thing but with yours? You are fine with the dissonance, then?
You think pedophile shouylkd be shot omg what horrible person you are im sure you think the same about homosexual. Basically your argument. Some crime are so horrible and against any possible once of humanity that yes they should deserve death. I dont see any dissonance and u trying to make one by comparing me with some third world country is dishonest.
I mean, if I asked them about it, their answer would likely be the very same as yours. They just have different view on what crimes are so horrible as to deserve death, otherwise it’s the same argument.
I’m not trying to dishonestly compare or liken you to them or anyone for that matter. Just trying to make you aware that their reasoning is the same, so the question I have is, which one of you is right, or are both right? And if not both, who makes the objective call on all these thresholds of horribleness that demand executions.
Which is to say, we can’t eat our cake and have it too. You can’t just say death is fine for my reasons, but not for someone else’s reasons, because that is dishonest. Either executions are fine, or they aren’t, but anything in between is just trying to have it both ways and assuming that your point of view is the better one than the others’ who do this same argument and ideology. Which is fair and all, you are you, these are subjective things. But the subjectivity is precisely what makes it such a disingenuous argument in the first place. Everybody defines those lines that get crossed, differently. Then based on whose point of view do we make the calls? It’s not obvious, it’s never going to be unanimous, and it will lead to further conflict and disdain in the long run, as we very well know and see ourselves, today.
But it’s a valid stance, it’s very human, I’m not saying you are wrong to think so. It’s just not very rational, is what I’m saying, which makes it, in my opinion, not a good argument for things that lead to deaths of people…
I understand the point you making. But I think we fan clearly and with a large majority agree on some case that deserve death sentence. Like for terrorism, répéter offense of murder rape and pedophilia. I dont think saying thoses are subjective but rather objective. I think the stance of we shouldn’t kill anyone cause somme could disagree is a weak argument. Some ppl think rape is ok, that doesn’t mean it should be ok or we shouldn’t punish it.
Many who are against the death penalty have issues on several fronts. If its found the conviction was in error then there is not reversing it. The response that well only for cases we are sure but its impossible to have that as we run into the lack of perfecttion both in our legal system and the people agreeing on when we are sure. After that there is if rehabilitation is possible and some believe its always possible. Then also you simply have the acceptance of group murder or institutional murder. The state as a collective is doing a thing that would be a crime from an individual but its fine because its the group or state (generally the state would not allow it from a group as well). With that its the hypocrisy of it. Now of course the state is allowed to go to war but usually that is predicated on a right to defend onesself.
I think we should do it publicly also
Yeah. The kill all men crowd really quiet when u say kill the rappist
Red scare, Islamophobia, and idpol oh my! 😱
Uh, what? No-one but you mentioned politics or religion.
Pakistan has a serious problem with rape culture, which is far worse for Pakistani women than for tourists.
It ain’t just Pakistan.
No, it isn’t. However this event lead to discussion and protests about the problem in Pakistan. The international media attention is partly why - local society may judge a local woman but international society was rightfully horrified, including about the victim blaming rhetoric from the police.
Cultural change is a slow process and requires some form of pressure, but maybe the media coverage and the incredibly harsh judgement was enough for some men to rethink and not hurt women, and for more women to step forward when they are hurt. So hate the Daily Mail if you want but please don’t be dismissive of such an important topic.
And yet no one is calling out KSA, Qatar, UAE, USA, Germany…
Please stop with the what-aboutism. The reporting is on a particular event that involved a tourist, so the relevant country is being highlighted. In the same way, France was highlighted regarding the poor French woman whose husband drugged her and organised her rapes. If a similar event occurred in another country, they would be in focus. Talkng about the issue in the abstract is unfortunately rarely a catalyst for change.
this happened in 2021, weird to post it today though right?
edit: it was actually in 2020, crazy how so many “journalists” are now intrigued about a specific case in Pakistan.
The appeal just was denied.
This is news from today, not 5 years ago.
There is new information though? As another comment to this OP explains:
…2021, when the original verdict was made. The Daily Mail update here is just saying that the appeal failed and the death sentence is confirmed.
I don’t know the reasoning behind OP’s posting it now, but it seems a legitimate issue to be aware of. Especially if the police are blaming the woman for not knowing that it was a bad area to be in, despite all the precautions taken.
youre right, the daily mail is acting in good faith
Oh go fuck yourself!
No one should be forced to fuck them, not even themselves.
