• humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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    I don’t like this. Not because Venezuela doesn’t deserve help defending itself, but that Russia could “live test” it’s new nuclear powered torpedo by sinking the Gerald Ford air carrier group. Ending war before it begins, and there still remains the possibility of ending it quickly after it begins. is a more human strategy than maximizing Venezuela dependence on Russia.

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      Is the reason you don’t like this that you don’t think the Gerald Ford air carrier group deserves to be sunk?

      I mean I think you’re describing something absolutely fucking crazy that will never happen, but it sounds awesome.

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        21 hours ago

        It’s just making arms trade profits the solution instead of ending the aggression as the solution.

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      What a strange world you inhabit, where Russia ending war with a strike taking out a carrier group could somehow both end war before it starts and also somehow make Venezuela into a Russian victim by making them dependent.

      Like, how does any of that mechanically work?

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      Right, Russia ferried their nuclear powered torpedo to Venezuela by plane. That totally makes sense. A far more likely scenario is that Russia will provide Venezuela with AD that can shoot down F35s which would utterly humiliate the US.

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        The torpedo has huge range. The goal could be to end war instead of humiliation/stalemate, but with dependence on Russia.

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          A nuclear powered torpedo having effectively an unlimited range could just get there by ocean without needing to be ferried by plane. I’m also not sure how Venezuela defeating the Burger Reich would create dependence on Russia either. Seems to me that if Russia sank a US carrier group that would be the start of WW3, so it’s obvious that Russia wouldn’t do something that overt.

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            how Venezuela defeating the Burger Reich would create dependence on Russia

            Viet Cong “won” with 10:1 casualty ratio, but more specifically, got a stalemate that lasted longer than US patience. Failure to capture or hold Venezuela by the US is a Venezuela victory, but it will come at costs. Dependence on Russia is needed to prolong a stalemate, where stalemate = eventual loss of patience by US.

            if Russia sank a US carrier group that would be the start of WW3

            No. Ends war on Venezuela, and ends illusions of US power projection. Whether nuclear weapons are used or not, there’s a right to sink boats making baseless attacks. There’s no reason to start a war on Russia after that, and no one would want to.

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              I still have no idea what this dependence on Russia you keep talking about would be. Russia isn’t trying to turn Venezuela into what US did to Ukraine. Meanwhile, Russia is already ending the illusions of the US power projection by defeating NATO in Ukraine.

              Finally, the US doesn’t need reasons to start wars. The war in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, were all unprovoked. That’s just to name a few. The attacks the US is doing on Venezuela as we speak are unprovoked. There was no reason to start a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine either. Yet here we are.

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                Yes. Yet another blatant war of aggression by US. More nakedly obvious than usual. Dependence on Russian military aid for months or years to fight it off as a proxy defense against the US is a less optimal/just outcome than ending the war immediately with an explosion in the ocean. World continues to normalize US behaviour instead of assisting its collapse.

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                  Again, there is zero chance of Russia attacking US carriers in the ocean. Also, from Russian perspective it would be far preferable for the US to get embroiled in their own version of SMO in Latin America for years to come.