I hate how Signal went down because of this… Wish it wasn’t so centralised.
My friend messaged me on Signal asking if Instructure (runs on AWS) was down. I got the message. That being said, it’s scary that Signal’s backbone depends on AWS
Good
It’s wild that these cloud providers were seen as a one-way stop to ensure reliability, only to make them a universal single point of failure.
universal single point of failure.
If it’s not a region failure, it’s someone pushing untested slop into the devops pipeline and vaping a network config. So very fired.
It’s mostly a skill issue for services that go down when USE-1 has issues in AWS - if you actually know your shit, then you don’t get these kinds of issues.
Case in point: Netflix runs on AWS and experienced no issues during this thing.
And yes, it’s scary that so many high-profile companies are this bad at the thing they spend all day doing
I love the “git gud” response. Sacred cashcows?
What’s the general plan of action when a company’s base region shits the bed?
Keep dormant mirrored resources in other regions?
I presumed the draw of us-east-1 was its lower cost, so if any solutions involve spending slightly more money, I’m not surprised high profile companies put all their eggs in one basket.
I presumed the draw of us-east-1 was its lower cost
At no time is pub-cloud cheaper than priv-cloud.
The draw is versatility, as change didn’t require spinning up hardware. No one knew how much the data costs would kill the budget, but now they do.
Yeah, if you’re a major business and don’t have geographic redundancy for your service, you need to rework your BCDR plan.
Absolutely this. We are based out of one region, but also have a second region as a quick disaster recovery option, and we have people 24/7 who can manage the DR process. We’re not big enough to have live redundancy, but big enough that an hour of downtime would be a big deal.
But… that costs money.
So does an outage, but I get that the C-suite can only think one quarter at a time
But if everyone else is down too, you don’t look so bad 🧠
One of our client support people told an angry client to open a Jira with urgent priority and we’d get right on it.
… the client support person knew full well that Jira was down too : D
At least, I think they knew. Either way, not shit we could do about it for that particular region until AWS fixed things.
No one ever got fired for buying IBM.
Yes but now it is nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. The state government of Queensland, Australia just lifted a 12 year ban on IBM getting government contracts after a colossal fuck up.
It’s an old joke from back when IBM was the dominant player in IT infrastructure. The idea was that IBM was such a known quantity that even non-technical executives knew what it was and knew that other companies also used IBM equipment. If you decide to buy from a lesser known vendor and something breaks, you might be blamed for going off the beaten track and fired (regardless of where the fault actually lay), whereas if you bought IBM gear and it broke, it was simply considered the cost of doing business, so buying IBM became a CYA tactic for sysadmins even if it went against their better technical judgement. AWS is the modern IBM.
AWS is the modern IBM.
That’s basically why we use it at work. I hate it, but that’s how things are.
Such a monstrous clusterfuck, and you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone having been sacked, let alone facing actual charges over the whole debacle.
If anything, I’d say that’s the single best case for buying IBM - if you’re incompetent and/or corrupt, just go with them and even if shit hits the fan, you’ll be OK.
It is still a logical argument, especially for smaller shops. I mean, you can (as self-hosters know) set up automatic backups, failover systems, and all that, but it takes significant time & resources. Redundant internet connectivity? Redundant power delivery? Spare capacity to handle a 10x demand spike? Those are big expenses for small, even mid-sized business. No one really cares if your dentist’s office is offline for a day, even if they have to cancel appointments because they can’t process payments or records.
Meanwhile, theoretically, reliability is such a core function of cloud providers that they should pay for experts’ experts and platinum standard infrastructure. It makes any problem they do have newsworthy.
I mean,it seems silly for orgs as big and internet-centric as Fortnite, Zoom, or forturne-500 bank to outsource their internet, and maybe this will be a lesson for them.
It’s also silly for the orgs to not have geographic redundancy.
They zigged when we all zagged.
Decentralisation has always been the answer.
yeah, so many things now use AWS in some way. So when AWS has a cold, the internet shivers
sidekicks in '09. had so many users here affected.
never again.
A single point of failure you pay them for.
That explains why my Matrix <-> Signal bridge was complaining about being disconnected.
Who wants to bet Amazon gave AI full access to their prod config and it screwed it up.
Or some engineer decide today would be a great day to play with BGP
That’s a good theory haha
The one that hits us in self hosted is https://auth.docker.io/
You guys don’t selfhost a registry?
I know this is selfhosted so most people here are hobbyists, but it’s a ton of work to selfhost in enterprise setting. I’d wager 90%+ of people using image registries are using Docker Hub, GHCR, or AWS ECR.
For your personal use, you don’t need an enterprise setting. It’s just a simple compose file that you run.
You can host a registry in pull through mode, so you still have all the images you use locally, but if it’s not in your registry yet, it pulls it from docker hub or whatever.
The only pain point is that a single registry can’t do both. So if you want to push your own docker images AND have a “cache” of stuff from docker hub, you need to run two registries in two different modes. And then juggle the url’s.
I hadn’t actually considered that before. What’s your preferred way to do that?
I have just this (which ironically won’t work now cause docker hub is down)
services: registry: restart: always image: registry:2 ports: - 5000:5000 dns: - 9.9.9.9 - 1.1.1.1 volumes: - ../files/auth/registry.password:/auth/registry.password - registry-data:/var/lib/registry environment: REGISTRY_STORAGE_DELETE_ENABLED: true REGISTRY_HEALTH_STORAGEDRIVER_ENABLED: false REGISTRY_HTTP_SECRET: ${REGISTRY_HTTP_SECRET} REGISTRY_AUTH: htpasswd REGISTRY_AUTH_HTPASSWD_REALM: Registry Realm REGISTRY_AUTH_HTPASSWD_PATH: /auth/registry.password # REGISTRY_PROXY_REMOTEURL: "https://registry-1.docker.io/" volumes: registry-data:I don’t even remember how and when I set it up. I think it might be this: https://github.com/distribution/distribution/releases/tag/v2.0.0
Recently somebody has created a frontend, which I bookmarked but didn’t bother to set up: https://github.com/Joxit/docker-registry-ui
Harbor
Yeah I ran into this as well. Wondered why it needs a call to auth for public container images in the first place.
Oh god, that just 404s for me
This gif is audible
A bad day for Jeff Bezos is a good day for all of us
Yeah, was reading about it here too
Ring doorbells, Alexa, ahh… the joys of selfhosting.
Is there no way to check the doorbell video locally?
An Amazon employee misconfigures something and now your doorbell doesn’t work
Obligatory
Oh wow their front page doesn’t mention at all that their products run locally and don’t require subscriptions.
It mentions push notifications and emails, so I guess they must require an account, or can you configure them to use SMTP directly, as with the Amcrest Pro cameras?
I would be very surprised if there was
I don’t have one (because of that point), so I don’t know…
Presumably the app and doorbell are hardcoded to go to an AWS URL (so it’s “easier” for consumers), but in theory the data’s all on your wifi.
And I’m having a very good day now :3
Are you an IT contractor or something?
In some way, I am, but mainly I feel my need to only use selfhosteable stuff, and selfhost 90% of those services, confirmed.
For some reason I hear Gilfoyle pontificating about what he does
It makes me wish I was selfhosting more services, music & chat in particular. It wasn’t important enough to set up yet
Can recommend Jellyfin, I use it for both music and tv/movies. Not sure on the chat bit, there are so many option it could get a long list
I have Jellyfin, but I haven’t tried it with music. How does it compare to Navidrome?
For chat, I was thinking something super simple for the weird situations like this. Alternatively, Briar if you’re near the person you want to contact
Finamp as a music specialized client is really awesome. Just get the beta version as they are reworking it deeply and the stable one is not really updated (also app password make it easier to use OIDC sso plugin on jellyfin)
I moved from subsonic to jellyfin years ago, cuz subsonic didnt do video very well.
Jellyfin looks to do all the stuff Navidrome does, plus video in the same way
It takes 5-10 reloads to get an page from IMDB lol
themoviedb.org unfazed
OMG, IMDB too
They are an Amazon company, so it makes sense they’d be using AWS.
A fun game to play right now is to try to hit any of your regularly visited sites and see which ones are down. 😂
