Hello all, I’m in the market for a privacy-respecting security doorbell camera and a wide view camera with the following features: (not all of them are required, however)

-Motion detection

-Decent sized local storage*( I saw one that came with a 2TB drive but I don’t think they had a cloud storage)

-Cloud storage* (no subscriptions would be great)

I briefly looked at the r/privacy and a lot of recommendations have third parties like Amazon web services for their cloud storage which I don’t feel very comfortable with. I’m looking forward to hearing about the products you guys swear by.

Thanks.

  • The 8232 Project@lemmy.ml
    910·
    2 days ago

    I would advise against using surveillance cameras, because they violate others’ privacy. However, if you must, you can use hardware compatible with Frigate and upload it to whichever encrypted cloud server you wish.

    • irmadlad@lemmy.worldEnglish
      132·
      2 days ago

      I would advise against using surveillance cameras, because they violate others’ privacy.

      That’s a curious take. I’m keen to know your angle. If you are within range of my surveillance cameras, you’re on my property and are not afforded any privacy. I don’t care what happens out in the street, so I have none that cover the street. However, when it bleeds over onto my square, then I do care.

      • The 8232 Project@lemmy.ml
        71·
        2 days ago

        I’m keen to know your angle.

        Certainly! My threat model is mainly against mass surveillance, so this is my view: If there is a surveillance camera recording in a place where there is reasonable expectation of having no strangers, I am mostly fine with that. As you mentioned, if it is only recording your own private property where no strangers are meant to be, that is your business.

        However, if it is recording a space where there is reason to expect strangers to be there without violating private property (e.g. stores, doorsteps, sidewalks) that is not ok. Simply, I should not be in the crossfire of your surveillance. I don’t know your intentions with the footage, and I don’t know who else may have access to it. It shouldn’t be my job to cover up just because you want to violate the public’s right to privacy.

        You can see this post of mine about my views on the expectation of privacy in public. I made it about a year ago, and I haven’t read back over it, so it may be outdated or less refined than I’d prefer.

        I am a huge advocate for the right to privacy, so I don’t have any surveillance cameras of my own. When I have friends over, I want to lead by example and make my space a private space for them too. Instead of funding more surveillance, we should be funding stronger locks and better deterrents that don’t violate human rights.

        • irmadlad@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          Well, that certainly is a different take than I’m used to. I sometimes fail to realize that most of the population live in fairly tight quarters, especially in housing developments, etc. Their coverage would entail an acre maybe a little more or a little less and even a doorbell cam has a pretty wide field of vision. So I could understand that concern. Where as, I have some acreage to mother hen. Barns, equipment, etc. and I have zero tolerance for a person who would walk onto my property and steal from me. I’ll help a brother out as best I can, but if you steal from me that’s going to get you in some troubled water.

          Anyways, thanks for the explanation. Always down to be educated. Thanks for the link as well. I’ll hit it in a bit.

      • PiraHxCx@lemmy.mlEnglish
        6·
        2 days ago

        I guess a lot of cameras cover sidewalks and so. I have one pointing at my front door and one at my garage door and both show the sidewalk… I never gave much thought about it until I saw that article about Amazon’s Ring cameras recording passerby faces and putting it into their database.

        • irmadlad@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          Huh. I guess I have gotten used to living in farming country. Not too many people out here walking, but that concern seems valid.

    • Saltarello@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      I share a similar stance on general street surveillance by the likes of Ring. But on the flip side I understand that people may want to extend the scope of security cameras onto the street due to vehicle vandalism for example, so I make sure to smile my sweet smile when I notice them.

      Thanks to @Charger8232@lemmy.ml & @irmadlad@lemmyis.fun for yet another perfect example of what I love about Fediverse, this is why it’s so much better than “the other place”