• NutWrench@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    “That’s harder than it sounds.”

    Is it, though? Is it really? We’ve been making manual car door latches for 100 years.

    It’s only hard for Musk, and only because he just doesn’t want to do it.

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      2 days ago

      Seriously. Every other car maker has figured out how to make normal door handles. You can even buy the parts directly from them if you find it too hard to design yourself.

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      1 day ago

      The point is that the entire passenger entry system has been designed around electronic door handles. So you might think it’s as simple as just swapping them for mechanical ones but it’s not.

      The handles are really just buttons. Requests to a computer. The “locks” are just a binary state of the entry system that determines if conditions are satisfied to release the mechanical latch when the request is made.

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          17 hours ago

          We’re not talking about door locks, but door latches and handles. There are no “locks” on Teslas. As I said “locked” is just a state in the computer.

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            6 hours ago

            “Lock” is a term for the mechanism that controls the latch and restricts operation. Whether the access mechanism is digital (key card, remote, etc) or physical (key, dial, etc) is irrelevant.

            My point is it’s a solved problem. You can have a mixed physical and digital system. In fact, Teslas already have a mixed system as evidenced by the existence of a mechanical override. The issue is that the mechanical override is difficult to use and inaccessible from the outside.

            If Tesla used something that already exists, we wouldn’t have this problem. It can still have the same interface (the button in the handle on both sides), just simplify the mechanical override and expose a way to access it from outside.

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              6 hours ago

              “Lock” is a term for the mechanism that controls the latch and restricts operation.

              Again, there is no such mechanism.

              Whether the access mechanism is digital (key card, remote, etc) or physical (key, dial, etc) is irrelevant.

              It’s none of these things.

              If Tesla used something that already exists, we wouldn’t have this problem.

              But they didn’t. So the problem exists.

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                6 hours ago

                Again, there is no such mechanism.

                Then how does the door stay closed? If I walk up to someone else’s Tesla, I can’t open it. Why? Because it’s locked. If the owner walks up, they can open it. Why? Because they have the key.

                Yes, the lock works differently than many other cars, but there’s still a lock.

                Here’s an article that talks about how the manual release works. It exists, it’s just annoying to access, and not something an average child (or possibly adult) can intuit.

                The article is stating that the override should be easier to access and use.

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                  6 hours ago

                  Then how does the door stay closed?

                  You’re thinking of the door latch, not the door lock.

                  the lock works differently than many other cars, but there’s still a lock.

                  Again, there is no physical locking mechanism. That’s what’s different from any other cars in history.

                  Here’s an article that talks about how the manual release works

                  The mechanical latch is on the interior of the vehicle, thus bypassing any “locking” methods. You can’t do the same on the exterior.

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                    5 hours ago

                    The lock is what prevents the latch from unlatching without some authentication mechanism present. Whether it’s a software lock or a physical lock is irrelevant.

                    And you can absolutely do the same on the exterior: add a physical lock that interacts with the latch. That’s basically how every other car works. Basically, there’s a motor to release the latch for electronic locks, and the key and handle intact with the latch directly. There’s no reason Tesla cars couldn’t satisfy that interaction. They could even have the handle pull charge a small microcontroller that scans the key card if they really don’t want a purely mechanical lock for some reason.