Post reads: "❓ Do you know who are the inventors of the hardware-level kill switch for smartphones?
🤫 Stay tuned! We’re teaming up with them to offer you more privacy.
👇 Share your ideas in the comments! "
Please just officially support Linux mobile on it as an option. I don’t care if it buggy and barely usable, most Android phone companies actively make it almost impossible to install anything other than Android.
Saw it earlier today, actual phone https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-shiftphone-8/ at 730EUR, delivery in October.
Got a CMF1 with /e/OS since ~February (cf my history of comments to see the ups and downs, overall happy with both) … and I admit I’m tempted. I obviously don’t need it and having a relative cheap (~350EUR) feels pretty nice to me. Maybe if I want an upgrade later on but for now I’ll stick to what I have.
Jesus, the constant attempt at undermining murena by some users with falsehoods and misrepresentation is quite concerning here. Reminiscent of certain private OS devs having public mtdowns.
Looks slick, sounds sweet. Maybe there’s deeper lore, but all I think of is the Librem 5 when I hear about hardware kill switches. Might consider it if it includes amenities like a decently replaceable battery, headphone jack, micro SD slot, and relockable bootloader.
So this kill switch will auto delete all the telemetry /e/ collects by default, including the Voice data Sent to OpenAI? right? RIGHT?
Btw, if you dont understand their text, let me translate it for you
We took out loans from a bunch of venture capitalists in order to make a phone with a weird gimmick which is completely unnecessary since our OS collects your Data by default and dosent care about your Privacy at all anyway, just so we can please a crowd of tech hippies who have no idea about actual privacy but want to look cool by switching off their Camera after posting their 24/7 location on facebook and letting ChatGPT analyze their breakup text. (Also btw we have to somehow pay back those millions by raising our stock prizes, so stay tuned for our cloud selling your unencrypted photos because we have to enshittify).
The only reason to have hardware switches is if you fear that you’ve been compromised. And if you’ve been compromised, why would you continue to use a compromised phone for things that need your location or access to your camera?
And if you go in with the expectation of „this phone is going to be compromised”, just remove the Camera and everything and attach a Webcam or Mic for whenever you really need it. This way you can actually verify easily if its on, instead of having a mm button that can be easily toggled while putting the phone away
auto delete all the telemetry /e/ collects by default, including the Voice data Sent to OpenAI?
You are back with your FUD. I don’t know what you have against /e/OS specifically or if you are genuinely paranoid but in this specific instance you are making stuff up! I clarified in https://lemmy.ml/post/35472063 so maybe a language barrier because the post you linked to was in French but the STT service is
- NOT on by default
- for paying customers only (0 chance that a random person would activate it and thus be shocked)
- tries to anonymize the data
So… that’s not even telemetry, that’s like activating a service which the company explicitly said relied on OpenAI in the first place, people STILL paid for it AND activated it. They can’t be surprised that it’s sending anything to OpenAI then.
Come on, help us make this community better. We have enough problems with BigTech, small tech and more that we do NOT need to invent problems!
PS: also the reasoning about the presence on kill switch is … just plain silly. The PinePhones are running Linux, no Android, no /e/OS/ or whoever actor you might dislikes, OSes built by others, e.g. PmOS, Ubuntu, etc and yet still have hardware kill switches.
Not commenting on the other stuff but people should get used to the fact that anonymized private data is still private, so a so-called privacy app should not be leaking or disclosing or selling it. It might be LESS invasive than personally identifiable data, but it’s not NON-invasive.
Who is willing to pay for it after all? Almost certainly, someone who is up to no good. And if you can think of a way it can possibly be misused, then enabling that misuse is invasive.
You are back with your Spam
NOT on by default
This is a Private OS. They should not have this integration, since there are more than enough FOSS alternatives.
for paying customers only
Dosent change my point.
tries to anonymize the data
Tries. Tries. Tries.
They claim to be private. They incorporate a non private Service even though there are valid alternatives. Thats where this discussion starts and ends.
back with your Spam
Try it, report me for spam to the mods I’d be curious to hear their opinion.
?? Murena is a privacy-first company with a degoogled android rom
privacy-first company
is a Privacy first company.
They are worse then Linaege. Linaege at least supports local system backups. With /e/, you have to use their own unencrypted servers.
(Also btw they support Phones with not anymore updated firmware, which partially allows script kiddies with a flipper zero to exploit your chipset)
I can tattoo „privacy first” on the inside of my asscheek. Dosent mean it actually means anything.
Like I said, /e/ is not at all better than LinaegeOS, but instead takes the OK LinaegeOS, adds their own insecure services, removes everything that could be more secure, and misrepresents what is essentially a LinaegeOS Flavor as
- uLtRa gIgA sEcUrEeweeeeeee!!!;111! V. 1211 b !!!
With /e/, you have to use their own unencrypted servers.
Stop making stuff up… you do NOT have to use Murena services.
Please tell me, where I can enable Seedvault or another local backup service without having to root my phone first or use apps like shiziku.
YES, I HAVE to use Murena services in order to back up my /e/ is phone without compromising security via root or shizuku. Prove me wrong, and send me a fucking video about it.
While I appreciate your desire to improve privacy for yourself and others, you are again inventing things (optional service as if everybody using /e/OS had it, relying on Murena services where not everybody does it) from your very narrow perspective as if it was the truth. Again I imagine your ultimate goal is to help people to find a better alternative (which is something I hope too) but I can’t spend more energy arguing with made up problems. I hope others who do read your words and are exhilarated by your passion and the strength of your words do still go check the source of the claims you make but I don’t want to have this kind of conversations again so safer to block. Take care of yourself.
Edit: to clarify, Google is the enemy. Meta is the enemy. Amazon is the enemy. etc, not you, not me, not Murena, not LineageOS, not whatever tiny project of the Internet is trying to do slightly less worst than BigTech and surveillance capitalism.
I feel like that’s way too easy to accidentally flip.
Well they say “kill switches are located beneath the battery cover and can be switched with a paperclip or similar tool, so it is not easy to switch them regularly, but for shifting the camera and microphone OFF for longer times they are very suitable”
