I’m going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what’s right, what’s wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I’m an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there’s a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy’s pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I’ve seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what’s going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I’m genuinely interested in what you all think
I think the circumstances around his death were ironic - humourous even - but I don’t take any joy in politically motivated violence. When you respond to rhetoric you disagree with by being violent then you’ve lost the argument.
A self-elected mouthpiece that thrives on spreading hatred that has cause immerse damage and suffering for innocent people is shot by one of his own people. He died by consequence of the violence he was promoting against others.
The only ones I sympathise with are his children because they didn’t choose their parents and they will have his legacy on their shoulders. His wife and his friends and colleagues and his followers can go fuck themselves ass to eye with a spork.
I’m not divided. This is a republican on Republican crime. Fuck them, let them eat themselves for all I care.
I don’t personally feel bad that he is dead. The world is probably a better place without him in it. However, I’m disturbed by how gleeful some people are about his death. It shows how callous and radicalized people have become. I know a lot of people will jump in and say it’s rhe right’s fault things have gotten so radicalized, but that’s missing the point. Taking a life should never be easy.
I mean, sure, it’s mostly edgy people talking tough online. Give them Charlie Kirk in a dark alleyway and hand them a gun and 99% of them wouldn’t pull the trigger. But that social media environment does produce killers, and the kind of people it pushes over the edge tend to not be very stable and their actions tend to be pretty horrific. Probably the most famous Lemmy user to date is the man who bombed the fertility clinic. Let’s hope it stays that way.
It’s good entertainment.
As usual, morons on both sides of the fence miss the forest for the trees.
Charlie was a mouthpiece of the ruling class. His whole purpose was to sow division to distract the working class from how it’s being exploited by their rulers.
It’s good that he’s gone, because that’s one fewer distraction. It’s bad that people, on both sides, still don’t realize why it’s necessary for people like him to be gone.
We should also be aiming higher. The richer, the better.
Here’s a timeline to consider
Trump dined with Fuentes - the groyper king. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trump-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-kanye-00070825
Kirk urged trump to release the files and everything https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-files-update-charlie-kirk-trump-message-2099999
loomer (a groyper) says kirk is unloyal https://www.rawstory.com/charlie-kirk-laura-loomer/
Capitalism slowly grinds societies into dust. This is what I’ve seen, sociologically, regardless of any division over Charlie Kirk’s death or however many schoolchildren get killed.
It doesn’t say anything about our society. Wack jobs assassinating celebrities has gone for as long as our society has existed.
Charlie Kirk and his ilk thrive on pissing people off, that bit him in the ass.
Am I ok either way someone being murdered, absolutely not.
Am I mourning Charlie Kirk? Nope.
People get killed all the time, he isn’t special and you would be too emotionally drained if you got upset over every death that ever happened.
I actually don’t care about Kirk, or any murdered politician for that matter. I’ll laugh at the memes because comedy is pretty much all we have left to cope with the shit state of many things.
I think these people publicly celebrating are being incredibly inconsiderate. I hate the guy just as much them, but the man has a wife, kids, and friends who are mourning. Have some empathy, respect them, and if you’re going to celebrate a man dying, do so in private.
Political violence is terrible. Kirk was a piece of shit who helped make political violence inevitable. He got what he deserved, and I’m jubilant at his death, even as I’m devastated at what our country has become.
think this pretty much sums it up. i’d prefer if american politics weren’t underscored by violence but when our most popular public figures include literal school shooting advocates, peace was never an option.
go figure that when gun violence is involved that it’s the right eating the right.
First of all, I’ve heard of Kirk for the first time when they killed him. I’m in the EU, I don’t follow mainstream socials, and definitely I’m not a fan of right-wing propaganda. So the first impact was: “Charlie who?”
When I had read about him, I thought that he was (sorry for my French) a bigot piece of shit. I don’t think that violence is the solution for anything, nor that people like him deserve to die, but today there is one less bigot spreading hate and misinformation which is a positive thing. As someone smarter than me said “some men make the world a better place only when they die,” and Kirk seems to fit the profile.
When I’ve heard the far-right accusing the left (MAGAs and European neo-fascist too), I was swinging between “how these ‘leaders’ can talk like that knowing literally nothing about the killer’s identity and motives?” and “how half of the population can be so stupid to be unable to understand how these ‘leaders’ are exploiting the tragedy they complain about?”.
With friends I joked: “what if the killer is actually a right-wing white guy with a poster of Hitler in his bedroom?” I don’t know about posters, but so far I find the whole thing incredibly ironic.
Bonus: one of the first thing I’ve found about Kirk (again, I didn’t know he existed before the other day) is that he was so pro-guns that he accepted murders and mass shootings as a necessary evil to have the right to carry guns. It would be a massive missed opportunity to stop at the irony here and avoid an healthy debate on weapons.
TL,DR: I don’t care, but the world should not miss him.
Yes, my thoughts exactly too as a Canadian looking in from the outside. The one thing that is bothering me most of all is how much of a martyr the assassination is making out of him
Hurst Wessel is the comparison I’ve seen around, worth a read. Similar circumstances.
As a UK citizen at the ripe old age of 47, who has always been fairly left wing but has definitely become jaded with all politics and less engaged than ever, I can honestly say I’d never heard of the guy until this week.
However, from widespread media exposure this week, it’s hard not to conclude that he was basically one of the many grifters that seem to be riding high in the US. There seems to be club of them who disingenuously tap into the unfocused frustrations of many Americans, charismatically providing easy answers and appointing blame, seemingly motivated by nothing more than their own self-interest.
That said, I can’t take pleasure in seeing someone die. I haven’t and will not watch the video. I don’t think it’s a healthy to be entertained watching another humans life brutally end.
I really could care less either way.
My pet peeve is people who say this expression wrong, because it’s not only slightly mispronounced, but entirely turned on it’s head to mean the exact opposite of its intention. This reversal of meaning seems clear, so I’m not sure why the error is so prolific, though it does seem more of a thing in other countries like the USA, not so much here.
It’s “couldn’t care less”, not “could care less”. You’re trying to say “I care so little that it is not possible for me to care any less than I do already”.
Instead, by saying you “could care less”, you are being ambiguous about how much you care, but confirming that you care at least a little bit (or possibly due to the ambiguity it’s the most important thing in your life and you care so, so much).
Sorry if I sound grouchy, it’s just something that’s bugged me for a long time and here at 5am is when I decided to finally say something about it, haha. No shade on you personally though, as the hip youths would say! :-D
I’ve also noticed that but I just say it that way because as far as I understand, that’s the saying shrug
It’s definitely not the saying. You’ve heard it wrong or heard your peers saying it wrong. Just apply the slightest bit of critical thinking here.
I could not care less - I couldn’t care less - there is no way I could care less than I already do - I don’t care at all
I could care less - I could care any amount about the subject, totally ambiguous. Perhaps it’s the most important thing in the world to me, therefore I could care less.
Saying it the second way makes you sound like someone who doesn’t care about the meaning of their words.
Or just do a Google search or whatever, or even better, realize that language is fluid and nothing matters
You made their argument for them. Don’t see that everyday.
Hey friend your definition agrees with me. Yes language is fluid and I’m not a prescriptivist, but when it becomes the opposite meaning in one generation then it makes communication confusing.
You could say it one way and be understood by everyone or say it the other way and be vague. Which would you prefer?
Honestly, personally, I’m just going to assume someone using it the other way is a little stupid.
I didn’t really know anything about him until after I heard he died. And shortly after that, I heard that three kids died in another school shooting.
I don’t give a fuck about Charlie. I’m pissed that he’s getting a flag at half mast and those three children and all the children that came before only get thoughts and prayers.
Honor them, ignore him.
