“Fifty thousand years ago there were these three guys spread out across the plain and they each heard something rustling in the grass. The first one thought it was a tiger, and he ran like hell, and it was a tiger but the guy got away. The second one thought the rustling was a tiger and he ran like hell, but it was only the wind and his friends all laughed at him for being such a chickenshit. But the third guy thought it was only the wind, so he shrugged it off and the tiger had him for dinner. And the same thing happened a million times across ten thousand generations - and after a while everyone was seeing tigers in the grass even when there were`t any tigers, because even chickenshits have more kids than corpses do. And from those humble beginnings we learn to see faces in the clouds and portents in the stars, to see agency in randomness, because natural selection favours the paranoid. Even here in the 21st century we can make people more honest just by scribbling a pair of eyes on the wall with a Sharpie. Even now we are wired to believe that unseen things are watching us.”
All religion is baseless bullshit, so yes, it is problematic in itself.
It is divisive by nature/design.
And it is made worse by people abusing it for power over others or discrimination.
I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say it’s all baseless. It could just as easily be the passing down of allegorical tales — stories seeded by some guiding or controlling force countless generations ago in our collective development. There are even arguments for things like a collective consciousness or sub-atomic networks, suggesting that our linear experience of time might just be a way of processing information.
Honestly, who really knows? But speaking as someone who has oscillated between Christianity, Buddhism, and atheism in my youth, I’ve come to see atheism as just as much of a limiting dogma as any other belief system.
After posting my comment, I figured the baseless part might get some critique, but I decided to leave it. I meant it as ‘not based in realty or not based on facts’, if that helps clarifying.
Also, if you heap in atheism with Christianity and Buddhism, you don’t understand what atheism is.
Christianity and Buddhism are actual systems of belief, while atheism is simply a lack of belief in any god or deity.
Anyone who does not believe in some god/deity/greater power, is an atheist. Whether they like it or not, that’s what it is. A simple definition about a persons lack of belief. It does not come with any other rules or dogma. No rituals or leadership at all, so it can’t be a system.
I wouldn’t say I heap them in together. At times in my life I have rejected a belief in anything ‘higher’, which fits your definition of atheism, although perhaps my mindset was closer to an agnostic atheist stance, which to me is more along the lines of ‘I don’t believe, but I can’t be certain as there’s a limit to my knowledge’, as opposed to being a strong proponent of the belief that there is nothing beyond death.
No, it is directly a problem. Believing in bullshit because someone in a higher position than you said it with zero fucking evidence is how MANY of humanity’s ills have come about and persist. Religion feeds that idiocy.
No, it’s not the only route, but it is a HUGE component of people believing things without evidence. That is, unequivocally, an actual, literal, direct problem.
Also, there is evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, people just reject it because it doesn’t fit their desires and makes them cry like a waa waa baby
Firstly, it’s obvious “believing” means “zero evidence”. If a belief had any solid evidences, it wouldn’t be a belief, it would be a peer-reviewed scientific paper instead.
That said, you’re conflating “belief” with “religious hierarchy” when, in reality, belief isn’t necessarily dependent on hierarchy. I believe in Lilith and Lucifer, and I have no one “above me” except for Her and Him. In fact, the belief I follow on my own isn’t even compatible with any kind of hierarchy, because these entities represent independence and rebelliousness, so it’d be quite paradoxical for me to have a leader/master/priestess/whatever.
Finally, I challenge you to point out any kind of “humanity’s ill” inflicted by Luciferianism and other left-hand path beliefs, even those who actually have hierarchies (e.g. Quimbanda).
So, I sincerely remind you, don’t generalize and attack every single religion and belief system on Earth because of a half dozen big ones who actually are to blame for many historical wars (“Holy wars”) and their interference on scientific progress. Don’t demonize the demons and demonesses, we’re friends of scientific inquiry. Beware not to do friendly fire.
You are all following demons. Self-proclaimed Satanists, Atheists, “progressivists”, billionaires, nazis, racists, bigots, child molesters, and rapists. Men who abuse women and women who abuse men. And those demons hate you more than anyone else can. They’ll lead you to the everlasting hellfire. They won’t be your friend.
we’re friends of scientific inquiry.
Christians basically invented the scientific method. It has never rejected science apart from some fringe beliefs.
rofl way to strawman their beliefs… Sure, it makes sense when you leave out everything made up.
Nowhere did I say they’re AS BAD as Christians et. al., but belief without evidence is still fucking stupid and harmful to yourself and anyone you teach such drivel to.
idk man saying it doesn’t matter what religion you’re talking about sounds like you think they’re all equally bad to me.
Also idk who’s beliefs you think I’m making a strawman out of but I was refering to my own beliefs that help me to actually go into nature as I can at least 4 times a year to help with my depression, maybe I’m more open to it because up until a few years ago I was studying to become a conservationist but it’s certainly better than back when I also thought that anyone who believes in something is a dumbass
@MotoAsh@lemmy.world Where in centuries of human history were there any wrongdoings stemming from Luciferianism and other leaderless occult belief systems? Where in centuries of human history did Luciferianism and other occult belief systems interfered or tried to hinger with scientific progress?
We don’t know because the Christians purged the history books of them.
I’m not saying you’re just as bad as Christians et. al., just similarly brainless for believing in things without evidence, which IS dangerous on its own.
Religion
Easy to say, but I’d argue it’s baked in.
“Fifty thousand years ago there were these three guys spread out across the plain and they each heard something rustling in the grass. The first one thought it was a tiger, and he ran like hell, and it was a tiger but the guy got away. The second one thought the rustling was a tiger and he ran like hell, but it was only the wind and his friends all laughed at him for being such a chickenshit. But the third guy thought it was only the wind, so he shrugged it off and the tiger had him for dinner. And the same thing happened a million times across ten thousand generations - and after a while everyone was seeing tigers in the grass even when there were`t any tigers, because even chickenshits have more kids than corpses do. And from those humble beginnings we learn to see faces in the clouds and portents in the stars, to see agency in randomness, because natural selection favours the paranoid. Even here in the 21st century we can make people more honest just by scribbling a pair of eyes on the wall with a Sharpie. Even now we are wired to believe that unseen things are watching us.”
― Peter Watts, Echopraxia
Well said.
I kinda get it. Everyone needs something to look forwards too. Sadly, for some, there’s only the idea of afterlife for that.
Religion isn’t necessarily the problem, people (as usual) are.
All religion is baseless bullshit, so yes, it is problematic in itself.
It is divisive by nature/design.
And it is made worse by people abusing it for power over others or discrimination.
I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say it’s all baseless. It could just as easily be the passing down of allegorical tales — stories seeded by some guiding or controlling force countless generations ago in our collective development. There are even arguments for things like a collective consciousness or sub-atomic networks, suggesting that our linear experience of time might just be a way of processing information.
Honestly, who really knows? But speaking as someone who has oscillated between Christianity, Buddhism, and atheism in my youth, I’ve come to see atheism as just as much of a limiting dogma as any other belief system.
After posting my comment, I figured the baseless part might get some critique, but I decided to leave it. I meant it as ‘not based in realty or not based on facts’, if that helps clarifying.
Also, if you heap in atheism with Christianity and Buddhism, you don’t understand what atheism is.
Christianity and Buddhism are actual systems of belief, while atheism is simply a lack of belief in any god or deity.
Anyone who does not believe in some god/deity/greater power, is an atheist. Whether they like it or not, that’s what it is. A simple definition about a persons lack of belief. It does not come with any other rules or dogma. No rituals or leadership at all, so it can’t be a system.
I wouldn’t say I heap them in together. At times in my life I have rejected a belief in anything ‘higher’, which fits your definition of atheism, although perhaps my mindset was closer to an agnostic atheist stance, which to me is more along the lines of ‘I don’t believe, but I can’t be certain as there’s a limit to my knowledge’, as opposed to being a strong proponent of the belief that there is nothing beyond death.
No, it is directly a problem. Believing in bullshit because someone in a higher position than you said it with zero fucking evidence is how MANY of humanity’s ills have come about and persist. Religion feeds that idiocy.
No, it’s not the only route, but it is a HUGE component of people believing things without evidence. That is, unequivocally, an actual, literal, direct problem.
Where’s the evidence that your partner loves you?
Also, there is evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, people just reject it because it doesn’t fit their desires and makes them cry like a waa waa baby
rofl no there isn’t, you numpty.
@MotoAsh@lemmy.world @TomMasz@lemmy.world
Firstly, it’s obvious “believing” means “zero evidence”. If a belief had any solid evidences, it wouldn’t be a belief, it would be a peer-reviewed scientific paper instead.
That said, you’re conflating “belief” with “religious hierarchy” when, in reality, belief isn’t necessarily dependent on hierarchy. I believe in Lilith and Lucifer, and I have no one “above me” except for Her and Him. In fact, the belief I follow on my own isn’t even compatible with any kind of hierarchy, because these entities represent independence and rebelliousness, so it’d be quite paradoxical for me to have a leader/master/priestess/whatever.
Finally, I challenge you to point out any kind of “humanity’s ill” inflicted by Luciferianism and other left-hand path beliefs, even those who actually have hierarchies (e.g. Quimbanda).
So, I sincerely remind you, don’t generalize and attack every single religion and belief system on Earth because of a half dozen big ones who actually are to blame for many historical wars (“Holy wars”) and their interference on scientific progress. Don’t demonize the demons and demonesses, we’re friends of scientific inquiry. Beware not to do friendly fire.
You are all following demons. Self-proclaimed Satanists, Atheists, “progressivists”, billionaires, nazis, racists, bigots, child molesters, and rapists. Men who abuse women and women who abuse men. And those demons hate you more than anyone else can. They’ll lead you to the everlasting hellfire. They won’t be your friend.
Christians basically invented the scientific method. It has never rejected science apart from some fringe beliefs.
rofl you refute my statement, backed by centuries of human history… with, “but my religion doesn’t have a lord!”
Good job proving my point that it doesn’t matter which religion, but belief in bullshit os damaging… because your nonsense is … nonsense.
Go on then try to explain how pagan religions that boil down to “don’t fuck with nature, it’ll kill you” are damaging?
rofl way to strawman their beliefs… Sure, it makes sense when you leave out everything made up.
Nowhere did I say they’re AS BAD as Christians et. al., but belief without evidence is still fucking stupid and harmful to yourself and anyone you teach such drivel to.
idk man saying it doesn’t matter what religion you’re talking about sounds like you think they’re all equally bad to me.
Also idk who’s beliefs you think I’m making a strawman out of but I was refering to my own beliefs that help me to actually go into nature as I can at least 4 times a year to help with my depression, maybe I’m more open to it because up until a few years ago I was studying to become a conservationist but it’s certainly better than back when I also thought that anyone who believes in something is a dumbass
@MotoAsh@lemmy.world Where in centuries of human history were there any wrongdoings stemming from Luciferianism and other leaderless occult belief systems? Where in centuries of human history did Luciferianism and other occult belief systems interfered or tried to hinger with scientific progress?
We don’t know because the Christians purged the history books of them.
I’m not saying you’re just as bad as Christians et. al., just similarly brainless for believing in things without evidence, which IS dangerous on its own.
at best its a waste of human energy and maybe good for those that require that emotional crutch
your argument is the same for guns, which we as a species should also mature out of