This is actually from 2022, but I missed it back in the day. This is quite important research imo, and very relevant lately. Link to the paper itself: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0747563222001637
This is actually from 2022, but I missed it back in the day. This is quite important research imo, and very relevant lately. Link to the paper itself: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0747563222001637
You speaking of the culture around is really important. That culture is part of the coomer and gooner problem which seems innocent and harmless/inoffensive to others but it is much more insidious. It essentially creates less of an actual reason to interact and a false sense of body expectations.
Essentially the otaku/neet problem japan is facing. People don’t know how to interact with the opposite gender and when they do, they do so with their sexual interest as the prominent reason. Most people innately reject this forwardness based on appearances and the rejected will not understand how it is their fault they got rejected. There is little to no decorum or respect.
It’s essentially a self feeding, lust-driven antisocial cycle that creates angry and dejected incels. It feeds into the other frustrations and creates a very spiteful and resentful person. I personally believe this is intentional after observing 4chan trends, as it creates easy people to manipulate. (Fappening grand invitation on Fox news, then the pepe dogwhistle to embolden those who are racist, while outraging those miscontrued - which eventually just is embraced)
Extreme emotions create easy to predict reactions, just point them at the person you want them to blame.
It’s not innately videos games or media, but creating an entire culture that completely surrounds them does. Lust is one of those material prisons that is naturally inclined as it gives you good feelings. The internet overall has allowed kids to get endulged into this culture without any real risk or entry cost, long before they are of adequate age to understand the intimacy of reality.
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This reads to me like a very heavily christian-biased thing. The christian bible says the original devil in the world took the shape of a snake (representing lust) that led eve to eat the forbidden fruit, and then they were kicked out of paradise.
What you’re forgetting is that lust is a part of the natural world that was already there before god existed. The christian bible says sth along the lines of “the world was created 6000 years ago” and what it really means is that humanity or the human spirit was created 6000 years ago with the rise of the first civilizations and empires.
But the natural world did already exist way before that (nature is billions of years old), and lust was a natural and essential part of that. It is not so much that lust is a “mistake of god’s creation” and kinda “sneaked in” or something, rather, god declared lust - which was already present - a sin, and by doing so, they tipped the natural balance of things. Maybe that is a thing to consider. It is not so much that lust is an invader and offender in the world, rather it is the human spirit that tipped the balance and therefore caused a millenia-old war against the serpent. And that has something to do with what you’re saying, even though you’re packing the arguments into very modern language.
I forget nothing, it is natural and that is why I am arguing against overindulgences and not the basic principle. Then again you can only see materiality in the context of god because your inner self is so small.
I am saying that overindulgence and fixation in lust becomes a prison. Why?
Look at marketing and media, it becomes a distraction for people and their vested interest. Intentionally meant only to distract and detract, afterwards one can lead you anywhere. Even to stagnate when look at waves at all current fascist developments but if you are so well versed then you know the Christian narrative is deeply against it. We literally get the fascist pig insult from the demon Legion, a commentary on the brainwashing the Legionnaires/Rome as a state pushed unto their citizens via fear and deprivation.
Only difference is now the person willingly goes to it because they wanna see some fat titties online with no effort, so when they try and fail to get real fat titties - they become angered at the disullusionment and blame the person rather than their own ineptitude. Division is good for those in power.
Lust is only called an invader or offender in your words. I call the culture that constantly pushes this into media and marketing as detrimental. Along with how easy it becomes for kids who are alone, with 2 working parents who can hardly raise a kid, they will fall into sheol and toss away years because it is immediately rewarding in their brains.
Let me make the example clear. Sugar is good for you, it is the most easily bio-available form of food for your cell. Protein needs energy to digest and fat is not soluble alone nor immediately usable. So it is a great thing, it even feeds your gut biome!
Now how can it bdcome bad? Over indulgence. Sugar causes a dopamine hit, kids bored at home regularly snack and eat a lot. If not some countries (you know the one) add sugar to their breads, peanut butter, and almost anything else. Why? Addictive and makes it taste better, it’s why medicines go down easier with a spoon of sugar or however the saying goes. Well, this bombardment of sugar overfloods your dopamine receptors, raising the levels of dopamine they need to actually trigger joyous feelings.
It is inherently harder to feel happy, not a good thing. Even though sugar is a good thing.
Sex is fine, lust is fine, it is the overindulgence and ineptitude that is wrong with incel culture. They are gooners who blame others and take no responsibility nor do in moderation. They feel only rage.
Explaining this made me realize it also feeds into that cycle, as it is a big factor. I would jork my shit until I was shooting dust and aching, but kept going. I was massively overweight and had diabetes, both kinds. I was killing my pancreas and building a resistance to insulin. Why does it feed into it? If you are unhappy, jorking it gives you a fleeting and immediate controlled dose of happiness when you are a depressed sack of shit like I was.
ok so your writing is very interesting, and i have to think about it for a bit.
i can tell you a different perspective, if you mind listening to it:
sexuality and desire are the juices that make the world go round. in other words, people are attracted to one another and that is why we have a coherent society instead of a bunch of isolated people.
people want to impress one another (because they’re attracted to one another) and that is why they develop arts and culture. in other words, all art is sublimate sexuality. and knowledge is distilled art, so sexuality is indirectly the driving force for humanity’s progress, i argue.
This can be clearly observed with AI image generation tools. Free AI tools (with open weights), which is arguably important to have (because otherwise all tools would be corporate-owned, and that’s not so good for the people) were largely developed by people who generated big-titty-girls with it. Sexuality drives human progress :)
One of your parts in an earlier comment was that people choose 4chan/hypersexualized video games instead of meeting real people, to which i say: let the gooners have their self-chosen prison. it is better for all of us. imagine if they went out into the real world and actually interacted with people, i think they would annoy a lot. it’s better this way :)
what do you mean by that?
The demon exorcism story of Jesus and Legion. He drives out the ‘demon’ (which are artisfically rendered as some horrific entity, while just being state of minds/mental instabilities - hence why early christians were called Therapeutae, or therapist) He casts it from the man into the pigs who in a horde rush the waters and drown.
The name Legion is a way of making commentary about the current political powers oppressing people and forcing this form of self-censorship. How illegal immigrants cannot openly talk about their issues while being just as equal humans, hence needing to strip their rights and fear monger.
Anyways Legion is a pseudonym for the Legionnaires which were the Roman military fleet and the primary antagonistic actors and the pigs are a mockery of them. How those who trust them are killing themselves. Kinda like those who vote for certain political parties to have oppressive power.
Jesus can’t save you but the people can save themselves. There’s lots of artistic flare - it’s mesmerizing to decipher.
Rapture just speaks about a social collapse. The same one in exodus, with the Romans, with Muhammad and so forth. That’s why it is a fine balance of moderation between indulgence and reverence. Swing one way or the other too heavy and a collapse happens.
The buddhist middle way.
it’s an interesting write-up, i gotta study it in more detail later on, but i gotta go now, have something to do today.
to summarize my response: it’s good that whatever you did helped you, but i suspect that your method of approaching life cannot simply be generalized to other people, i.e. it wouldn’t work that way if other people tried the same thing.
but i’ll probably write a more elaborate response later :D
I mean most of this came from my own interests rather than actual scripture. It just clicks in my head because it seems obvious. What doesn’t apply is my assumption that others can understand simplicity, hence why my responses are in depth.
Fasting is done routinely as a dopamine reset and allows you to realign your interests agnostic of chemical influence. Driven by sheer self. This is in islam, variances of these fasts exists in all religions as you give up indulgences to remember your humanity and not your wants.
I once heard a therapist say the best way to check if you have a weed problem is to stop for 2 months. If you can or can’t, then you know. It’s true of most things.
I just want to make it abundantly clear I am not with this person.
Titillation is good. Masturbation is good. Sex is good (when between consenting parties).
The issue is not that there are tits and hints of dicks in games. The issue is that there can only be the kind that caters to a very specific male gaze and anything else unleashes a holy war.
Sweet fucking Eothas
I never disagree with that, it should exist and should be allowed. However, it flows abundantly and becomes the primary reason for a lot of gamers.
At least in the past it took some effort to mod as they followed some form of decorum. Allow the nudity and it changes no difference.
Yes, lust is a material prison to gooners. It literally is how we get the incel problem who feel they are mandated sex for being male yet understand little about actual social situation.
Not because of games, but because they are facilitated to get that release and enjoyment constantly with little to no trouble. Specially vulnerable are the young who suffer from a lack of understading for the higher value in self control and moderation.
Then again, you focus on video games and not the culture spoken of. Get defensive if you want, I can at least acknowledge my own pitfalls and spread the awareness I was made of aware of through my own tribulations with this. What I see develop online further and grosses me out as it was a culture I participated in and now I see the harm.
you could also easily turn this the other way around and say
who decides what is good and what is not? the people should decide it themselves.
Incels have as much to do with sexual desire as rape does. Because that is inherently what the incel mindset is. It is that others (almost always women, sorry, “females”) don’t deserve any agency and must exist solely to service people with the abrahamic god given right to sex. It isn’t about getting your rocks off. It is about asserting power and dominance over someone by raping them.
Horny people jack off. They go to bars to hook up. Hell, they even go to rub and tug joints. Incels get angry that (again, almost always) women aren’t servicing them and that they are forced to “goon”. And there is one endstate when it comes to deciding that someone needs to have sex with you regardless of their consent.
Exactly, and the material prison I speak of with lust is this mental state with the incels. Surround someone with nothing but sex that is purposely meant to sell you something and dxploit your basic animal desires, you create a situation in which you make it easy for incels to form.
Incels forming in large clusters supports and pupports these bad habits of each other, then enabling the behavior further. In turn also normalizing and trivializing it as a subject matter.
You for some reason are making this about you and other normal people who have the cognicent ability to be rational. The issue isn’t you nor is it video games or any one thing specifically. It is the bombardment that exists in marketing which in turn leads to the media as well being overblown with it to sell. My argument essentially is the same as sugar that the rest of the world would criticize America with.
You put sugar in everything. It is causing a dopamine constant release, in turn raising the bar for it to actually make you happy. Hence, most people with sugar overload have a harder time finding joy. Most people don’t reslly understand the biochemical response to things we ingest, and much of it is the same with porn.
If an incel ever actually had sex with a woman he didn’t pay, he would realize how starkly different reality is. That porn is edited and made perfect with angles that cant really be matched and is a completely different experience. They don’t enjoy sex or jerking off as much as they enjoy the momentary disullusionment with their reality.
Video games just have a bigger influence with porn fixation due to it allowing direct 3D models and translation into SFM or blender animations. Along with it being fully fictional and having the same effect as hentai, being fully digital allows full control about what is and isnt. Losing the flaws of reality that make it beautiful. There is a reason hentai is more popular with kids, just how games are.
Sex is great but this glorification and marketive exploitation is not that. I don’t know why you felt the need to involve any gods in the dialogue of human pitfalls due to corporate gain and political actualization. It’s almost as if the same group who I blame for facilitating, and using, the issue to their benefit are the same followers of the name you invoked. I wonder(the answer is yes) if they have made outcries and dogwhistles that specifically speak to these folks.
Anyways if you do not like the god that is, make a god that isnt.
Look at gacha games. There’s an entire industry revolving around selling anime girls, and when you realize that’s what the business model is, it’s not surprising how toxic their fanbases have become. I’ve suspected that some of these devs are even deliberately trying to filter their audience to the most desperate gooners.
Oh absolutely, I am a huge gooner. Had 12tb in an organized server with sections and whatnot. /r/playitfortheplot is legit just a bunch of gooners who give no shits but for sex and often miss the point of games.
A dude literally called Nier Automata a gooner game. Like bro it is one of the deepest games about what it means to be human. Sacrifice and duty. Yet the dude only saw tits and cared not at all for the narrative or reason. Mindless ghouls.