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    • jackeroni@lemmy.mlOP
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      2 days ago

      Yessir “propaganda outlet” just as the empire dominated media wants you to say about it to discredit them for their anti-empire views 🙄

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        Trying to brand Putin’s national conservative kleptocratic regime as somehow anti-empirialistic is just bizarre … I want to see an end to the capitalist hegemony as much as the next man, but comrade: Putin isn’t it.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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          Russia doesn’t have the financial capital necessary to imperialize, nor open markets in the global south that haven’t been imperialized by the west already. The Russian Federation would certainly want to imperialize, it has every reason to want to economically if the opportunity arose, but it simply can’t. If you’re using “imperialism” as a catch-all term for intervention in other countries, then you and jackeroni are fundamentally talking about different things.

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            No he’s right. Wagner was basically created to help Russian proxies in power in Africa, and Russia arm(ed) many militias and fueled plenty of conflict.

            Besides the Western empire it’s pretty much only Russia who actively participates in armed conflict around the globe. Albeit on a far smaller scale and more concentrated around their own interests.

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              Those as you called them “Russian proxies” are the Sahel states fighting against western backed jihadists and trying to decolonise from centuries of French occupation. This is opposite of imperialism.

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                So Russia is helping the Sudanese government from the bottom of their heart and not for monetary gains of gold? I call them proxies because they would fall apart without foreign backing since they don’t have the support of the population.

                Sure Russia can “back the good guys”. In fact since the Western empire is the colonizer of Africa, it means that whatever Russia backs is by default “fighting imperialism”. But Russia isn’t helping countries out of goodwill. They also want natural resources in return.

                China on the other hand is a lot better because they don’t get involved militarily.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                  Nobody here is suggesting that Russia is helping African nations due to some altruistic reasons. They directly benefit from decolonialization and these nations not being under western domination. What you’re doing is creating a false equivalence between what Russia is doing in Africa and what the west has done. It doesn’t mean that Russia would’ve behaved differently if they had more resources, but the reality is that they do not have the means to colonize Africa. Yet they can help decolonize it, and they benefit from new trading partners resulting from that.

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                  I really recommend you read the article I linked, if you haven’t. It directly addresses the Russian Federation. Here’s an excerpt from that section:

                  Russia lacks finance capital and division of the world’s resources. It only has 4 of the top 100 corporations in the world and 6 of the top 500. 82% of Russian exports are raw materials, including 58% oil, 11% metal, and 6% food. In 2017, Russia imported $106.2 billion worth’ of machine goods and only exported $12.8 billion. Russia does not have any of the top 100 corporations in terms of capital export, and most Russian capital export is capital flight to tax havens. Russia only controls 0.7% of the world’s wealth and has much less wealth per adult than the United States ($8,843 vs $336,528). Russia has intervened militarily in other countries such as Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine, and Syria, but not to seize natural resources like imperialist countries do.[7]

                  Simply put, the Russian Federation doesn’t have the same mass of financial capital by which they can dominate the global south like the west does. No country intervenes millitantly without doing so for personal benefit, that would be absurd, but that also doesn’t mean Russia is an empire either. The vast bulk of Russia’s consumption comes from goods it produces fot itself, this is quite opposed to western countries that consume the bulk of the value the global south produces while in turn producing far less.

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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              Working against imperialism for selfish, pragmatic reasons, is still anti-imperialist. There isn’t an ideological basis for it, sure, but the actions fundamentally undermine global imperialism as the primary obstacle towards global socialism.

              As for jackeroni posting pro-Russian sources, they’ve stated that they intend on making the information field more even than purely using western sources. Exposure to non-western points of view is helpful analysis.

              As a side note, there’s no need to say “Mr/Ms.” You can just say “they,” use the usernames, or use the listed pronouns if people have them.

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                  The Russo-Ukrainian War has generally not worked out in the west’s favor, and the resources tied up in it have allowed countries in the global south to align themselves more with the PRC or even pursue national sovereignty, like Burkina Faso. Further, the Russo-Ukrainian War has shown that the west is severely deficient in industrial production, the west has flashy toys but can’t field them for long. It hasn’t strengthened the imperialist bourgeoisie, in fact it’s been more of an increase in imperial overhead costs in keeping the system going.

                  As for jackeroni’s agenda, they are pro-Russian in the Russo-Ukrainian War. I wasn’t trying to argue against that point. I disagree with the appeared implication that jackeroni is paid propaganda, they haven’t made that seem apparent and sufficient evidence is needed, but if your point is that being pro-Russian means the post itself should be discarded I also disagree. Careful analysis of the facts at hand requires looking at all sides, which is something I think you’re agreeing with.

            • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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              Sorry I didn’t mean for this conversation to become a semantic debate.

              There’s literally no other way to interpret your comment