Because Israelis tend to believe the most heinous shit (look up Tel Aviv University Peace Index, shit’s fucked up), so I had expected a pretty comfortable majority to support annexing Gaza. But now that I checked the article, this poll includes Palestine Israelis, so with that in mind it’s within expectations; if you subtract like 15% from the supporting camp to account for Palestinians you’ll probably get a narrow supporting majority.
Yes I’ve read several of their reports a whule bacj. Most Israelis (particularly Jewish ones but also many Arab Israelis) and Gazans are very pessimistic about the prospects for peace, tied to not believing the other side to be trustworthy, particularly since Oct. 7.
believe the most heinous shit
You’ll have to elaborate on that, because you’re (A) generalizing to a very large group with very diverse views & opinions and (B) rather vague.
You’ll have to elaborate on that, because you’re (A) generalizing to a very large group with very diverse views & opinions and (B) rather vague.
Okay. I’ll be working off the latest report here, dated July 2025. A 60%+ majority of Jewish Israelis:
Oppose the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Support “Voluntary” Palestinian immigration from Gaza.
Believe that the number of Palestinian casualties in the so-called war is justified.
In addition, slimmer majorities:
Oppose peace negotiations with the Palestinian Authority.
Support full Israeli security control in post-war Gaza.
Support the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza by military means.
Support Israel Katz’s proposal to relocate all Gazans to a tent camp in Rafah and only allow them to leave for other countries.
I believe I’ve made my case already, but also note that these all have 7-15% don’t know answers, which is fucked up in its own right but also means that if you only count the people with an opinion on the subject you get even worse numbers.
Thank you for taking the time to explain your position. I hadn’t seen their latest report until now.
Most of the above figures have been similar (and I think rather understandable if unfortunate) since oct. 7, but the increased support for forced expulsion & Katz plan is worrying.
Realistically it seems that there won’t be a negotiated end to the war between Israel & Hamas, I instead expect an enforced peace where Hamas never surrenders and Gaza instead is put under complete Israeli military occupation until (long term) a semi-autonomous civilian regime is set up similar to the W.B.
Of note, I have previously and still do find this one:
Oppose peace negotiations with the Palestinian Authority.
to be a bit of an odd pre-oct. 7 relic. It doesn’t really apply to the current war in Gaza since the PA isn’t a participant. At the very least they should run a separate, similar question regarding Hamas to get a fair assessment of support for a negotiated end to the current war.
Why do you think that?
Because Israelis tend to believe the most heinous shit (look up Tel Aviv University Peace Index, shit’s fucked up), so I had expected a pretty comfortable majority to support annexing Gaza. But now that I checked the article, this poll includes Palestine Israelis, so with that in mind it’s within expectations; if you subtract like 15% from the supporting camp to account for Palestinians you’ll probably get a narrow supporting majority.
Yes I’ve read several of their reports a whule bacj. Most Israelis (particularly Jewish ones but also many Arab Israelis) and Gazans are very pessimistic about the prospects for peace, tied to not believing the other side to be trustworthy, particularly since Oct. 7.
You’ll have to elaborate on that, because you’re (A) generalizing to a very large group with very diverse views & opinions and (B) rather vague.
Okay. I’ll be working off the latest report here, dated July 2025. A 60%+ majority of Jewish Israelis:
In addition, slimmer majorities:
I believe I’ve made my case already, but also note that these all have 7-15% don’t know answers, which is fucked up in its own right but also means that if you only count the people with an opinion on the subject you get even worse numbers.
Thank you for taking the time to explain your position. I hadn’t seen their latest report until now.
Most of the above figures have been similar (and I think rather understandable if unfortunate) since oct. 7, but the increased support for forced expulsion & Katz plan is worrying.
Realistically it seems that there won’t be a negotiated end to the war between Israel & Hamas, I instead expect an enforced peace where Hamas never surrenders and Gaza instead is put under complete Israeli military occupation until (long term) a semi-autonomous civilian regime is set up similar to the W.B.
Of note, I have previously and still do find this one:
to be a bit of an odd pre-oct. 7 relic. It doesn’t really apply to the current war in Gaza since the PA isn’t a participant. At the very least they should run a separate, similar question regarding Hamas to get a fair assessment of support for a negotiated end to the current war.