In a rare event in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, hundreds of Gazan citizens marched in the northern town of Beit Lahiya carrying white flags, calling to end the Hamas rule, and even calling to hand over the Israeli hostages.

The protests took place in front of the Indonesian Hospital in the northern part of the Gaza Strip. One protester who filmed the events questioned where Qatari Al Jazeera and its Gaza correspondent Anas al-Sharif are, implicitly referring to the channel’s no criticism of Hamas policy.

people are demanding the press to cover these events!” he said. “People are demanding freedom, they’re demanding a halt to the hostilities against Gaza, they’re demanding peace and an end to this war.” One of them said, “The press entered the hospital so as to not document this event.”

Slogans shouted in the protest included “Out out out! Hamas out!” and “Where is the press?” and “We want to live!” Signs held by protesters included slogans such as “We refuse to be the ones who die” and “Stop the war.”

Another video showed hundreds of marchers walking in the streets of Beit Lahiya, with the cameraman saying: “Large crowds are protesting now against the rule of Hamas. The situation in Gaza is catastrophic. The people here are calling to free the prisoners so we can remain alive,” possibly referring to the remaining Israeli hostages.

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    There certainly are Israelis who want to listen.

    They are, however, a very small minority. Most Israelis don’t want peace with Palestinians at all.

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      This is patently false. Netanyahu has an abysmal approval rating and something like 70% want a ceasefire.

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        See my response to the other guy. They say they want a ceasefire, but what kind of ceasefire? 47% want settlements in Gaza after the war so these details matter.

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        His approval ratings were low and falling well before the start of this onslaught. He is using this “war” as a way to stay in power for longer and to not face the various criminal charges against him.

        Wanting a ceasefire does not mean they want a free Palestine.

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      Do you have data that backs that up? Because I think most Israelis do want peace, if that means they no longer get attacked.

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        Look up “Tel Aviv University peace index”. It’s a survey done every three months by Tel Aviv University measuring attitudes in Israel towards peace, and since October 7th they’ve had questions about the war. Prepare to lose some faith in humanity, however.

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          No surprises there. It mostly shows that Israelis do not trust the Palestinian Authority, and who can blame them?

          There’s a lot of bad blood between them, but that does not mean they do not ultimately want a peaceful solution.

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            Did you click on the press release link? The findings PDF has more surveys with more details. For example, you’ll find that (pages 3-5) only 19% of Israeli Jewish respondents support a two-state solution, while only 7% support a one-state solution. Meanwhile 37% support “Annexation of the occupied territories and the creation of one state under Israeli rule with limited rights for Palestinians” and 25% support continuing the status quo. These are four separate questions, in case you’re wondering why these don’t add up to a hundred. For more despair juice, 47.4% of Jewish respondents support the creation of settlements in Gaza after the war. That’s a majority if you don’t count the 12.6% I don’t know responses (page 7). I could go on. See what I mean? It’s a full 11 pages of questions asking “do you want peace” and Israeli Jews answering “no”. I don’t think it’s possible to read this and still think Israel will ever choose peace willingly.

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              Yes, I did click through to the findings PDF and carefully looked at how the questions were worded.

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                I mean, sure, it’s an ethnic conflict with a bunch of bad blood on both sides. That’s a bit of a whataboutism, though, since this was about whether most Israelis want peace.

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                  If you directly asked Palestinians and Israelis if they want peace, the vast majority would answer either yes. The conditions of what’s considered a viable peace is different.

                  The two state solution was favored among Israelis during the peace process up to the second intifada. Afterwards an increasing number of Israelis rejected two states as unrealistic because they didn’t see a willing partner on the Palestinian side. Put it another way, many Israelis don’t believe a Palestinian state would actually bring peace. The withdrawal from Gaza and the continued attacks on Israel from Gaza over the last decades is seen as an example of that.

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                    Sure, nobody likes living in a warzone. The version of peace that’s been popularised in Israel implicitly involves ethnic cleansing, though, so I’m not sure that’s worthy of any of the brownie points you’re after.

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                First, that’s irrelevant because it’s Israel holding all the power in their Apartheid and genocide project. Second, no I won’t. You compare and make your own point.

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                  https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/991

                  But when asked about support or opposition to the establishment of an independent Palestinian state in the territories occupied in 1967, i.e. defining the borders of the state and without linking it to the two-state solution, support rises to 59% (60% in the West Bank and 59% in the Gaza Strip), while 37% do not support the establishment of such a state.

                  Support for a two-state solution is usually linked to public assessment of the feasibility of such a solution and the chances for a Palestinian state. Today, 57% (compared to 65% three months ago) believe that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to settlement expansion, but 39% (compared to 34% three months ago) believe it remains practical. Moreover, 69% believe that the chances for the establishment of an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel in the next five years are slim or non-existent and 30% believe the chances are medium or high.

                  When asked about the public’s support or opposition to specific political measures to break the deadlock, 57% supported joining more international organizations, 45% supported resorting to unarmed popular resistance, 51% supported a return to confrontations and armed intifada, 49% supported the dissolution of the Palestinian Authority, and 22% supported abandoning the two-state solution and demanding one state for Palestinians and Israelis. Three months ago, 63% supported a return to confrontations and an armed intifada, 49% supported unarmed popular resistance, 62% supported the dissolution of the PA, and 22% supported abandoning the two-state solution in favor of a one-state solution.

                  We asked about the public support for three possible solutions to the conflict: the two-state solution based on the 1967 borders, the solution of a confederation between the two states of Palestine and Israel, and a one-state solution in which the Jews and Palestinians live with equality, 51% (49% in the West Bank and 54% in the Gaza Strip) prefer the two-state solution based on the 1967 borders, while 19% (14% in the West Bank and 27% in the Gaza Strip) prefer a confederation between two states. 10% (11% in the West Bank and 9% in the Gaza Strip) prefer the establishment of a single state with equality between the two sides. 21% said they did not know or did not want to answer.

                  As you can clearly see, the answer percentage depends a lot on what question is asked specifically.

                  Two state solution also depends a lot on the details. The biggest issue is the so called right of return, which would permit millions of descendants of Palestinian refugees to immigrate into Israel proper. That’s of course unacceptable to Israel.

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                    As you can clearly see, the answer percentage depends a lot on what question is asked specifically.

                    I can’t clearly see anything except a bunch of unrelated data. What point do you want to make here?

                    Two state solution also depends a lot on the details. The biggest issue is the so called right of return, which would permit millions of descendants of Palestinian refugees to immigrate into Israel proper. That’s of course unacceptable to Israel.

                    That is a big issue, but the biggest issue is Israel’s unwillingness to respect Palestine’s sovereignty, by for example not building settlements and actually respecting deals it signed for once.

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        Everyone wants ‘peace’, but you should ask people what peace means. For Israelis, peace means that every Palestinian is either murdered or forcably removed from their land. For Palestinians, peace means that they are allowed to move freely within Palestine and have the same rights as Israelis.