In my experience, it’s usually power users or basic users with very specific application requirements, who have trouble moving between operating systems. There’s usually a FOSS alternative to those applications, but often requires reworking a workflow or upskilling more than they want to. But they’re still basic users so it’s more a speed bump than a road block.

So yeah, most people can switch to MacOS without an issue, and the vast majority of those can switch to a distro like Fedora or Ubuntu and quickly feel comfortable.

Power users get stuck in this situation where they’ve learned how to do advanced things in Windows, have things tweaked to support more complex and peculiar workflows, but often don’t understand the actual concepts behind them. And even if they do understand the concepts, they still have to learn the alternatives in a new OS, and rebuild their workflows. Now, there’s a lot more ability to learn behind the scenes about the why and how with Linux and BSD, so I’d argue they’d be better off to just suck it up and get started, and they’ll be better off before long.

I’m with you. I’ve never really liked the look of QT, but I think I’m going to go for it anyway. It’s always felt more plasticky and artificial, compared to GTK feeling more grounded and earthy. Plus, KDE has always felt cluttered in every way they can clutter it. So I was into the boxes (I was partial to fluxbox) and XFCE back in the day. Played with Gnome 3 a bit, had a cyclical love and ultimately hate relationship with it, but got hung up on Gnome as the best option when I wanted to switch to Wayland.

I’ve been using Cosmic since January, and I like it, but I’m left wanting more out of it. I was thinking of spinning my own environment with LabWC, but… meh. It’s a lot of work, and I want something more integrated.

I’ve been using KDE in Asahi on my Macbook Air a bit, and I guess I could use it more. But I don’t really use that machine a ton, either. Mostly for it’s better speakers than my Thinkpad, and I have it connecting a VPN automatically until I can be bothered to switch from iwd/systemd to network manager on my primary.

God I wish Gnome would change it’s tune, and stop being so militantly simplistic. The idea of extensions is great, but using a rolling release distro is rough when you’re relying on a bunch of extensions to make your DE suitable. I really like their approach to UX at it’s foundation. Cosmic is showing a lot of promise, and has that configurability built in, and I do look forward to where it goes. but it’s going to have this problem where a lot of the software that looks best in it is libadwaita, which enforces drastically different UX.

Ah, now I remember why I bought the Macbook.

I did a stint on Mint Mobile for 2 months while I was experimenting with jmp.chat, ported back to US Mobile on Verizon last week. As a bonus, Graphene got Verizon’s visual voicemail working while I was away, still can’t get T-Mobile’s working without their crappy app.

There are huuuuuuge gaps in T-Mobile in the north woods, which honestly, I’m kind of ok with since I’m looking to start using my phone mostly through KDE Connect. But visual voicemail has been a sticking point for me for awhile. Satellite is interesting to be sure, but it’s going to double my US Mobile bill at $10 for 2GB if I remember their pricing correctly. That’s not a huge deal, but for something with very limited capabilities at the moment… eh. Also, fuck Elon Musk.

I’ll see what happens with Graphene’s phone, or if I give in and buy a Fairphone. I really want an SD card for music. I’m less than thrilled with DAPs, and might just get a Fairphone with a dongle running Lineage for that, while I continue using my Pixel 8 on Graphene as my phone for now. I’d love to merge the two, though.

Also considering an Xperia to run Sailfish, but I’d have to go back to I think an Xperia 10 OG version to get band 13 and Verizon support. That’s a 6 year old phone, and only supports 512GB SD cards. Might actually be able to mount larger, especially in Sailfish, but… I’ll see if I can get one cheap maybe.

Man, I really hope they’re the manufacturing partner GrapheneOS is talking about, or they at least include Verizon support on future models. T-mobile just doesn’t do it for me out in the middle of the forest.

I know, but it’s looking more and more like there won’t be an alternative for long. I’d rather have a consortium of interests united in moving a fork forward as the core for all of their own OS’s.

I really wish Sony would come back to the US market. I’m tempted to get an older Xperia device to run Sailfish, but it would be like 4-5 years old, and it’s time on the Verizon network would be limited.

It’s on the N350, and is going to be pretty limited, though well supported in mainline.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241638/intel-core-3-processor-n350-6m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz/specifications.html

Honestly, I don’t know if having play services running in a profile that can be deleted would pass that standard for certification. Probably not, I guess.

As for being a fork, I mean the larger community of Graphene, Lineage, Calyx if it continues to exist, and probably a couple Chinese manufacturers who rely on AOSP to manage a fork that is collaboratively developed going forward, that no longer relies on Google’s maintenance of the project.

That’s definitely one way I’ve been looking, the hinge makes it enough tablet for me probably. Though the Starlite is passively cooled, which I really like. Right now I just have two laptops, a Thinkpad P14s and an M1 Macbook Air running Asahi. My ideal would probably be to go back to a desktop, and then have something like a passively cooled ARM or RISC V (obviously anticipating the future on both of those) Framework 12. Or even an N350 in a passive Framework 12, like in the Starlite. This would be more of a writing/browsing/video machine for when I’m lazing around or out at a coffee shop or whatever.

Ah well, the P14s is fine for now, and RAM is too damned expensive to buy anything right now anyway.

Last I checked, they’ll pre-install any number of distros. I just… I don’t know what I’d use it for that justified a separate device from a laptop. Maybe once I get home assistant setup in my new place, but even then… what I’m really wanting is a Linux phone that I can use on Verizon’s network. But even there, I’m tending towards moving to my cell phone sitting on the charger 95% of the time, and using kdeconnect.

That seems to be their mid-term strategy, release their own certified device. That should have some interesting implications on safetynet attestation, too.

I still think we need a fork of AOSP, before the community atrophies any further.

I keep looking at the Starlite, it’s recently upgraded to an N350. But every time I’m about to pull the trigger, I can’t come up with enough use case.

Evolution being just a little bit clunky is a massive improvement from the Gnome 2 and early Gnome 3 days, for what it’s worth.

Thanks, I’ll have to sit my ass at my desk so I can try it again. I wonder if there’s much delta between what you’re using and the beta I’m on from Extra. Though it does look like there are some new betas in Extra-Testing.

I’ll need to give tiling another try, I started using alpha 5 back in January and there were some pretty nasty bugs in tiling mode back then that made me think maybe a memory leak or something. After 15-20 minutes performance would get horrible until switching back to floating, though I’m fuzzy on the details.

Is there any capability to leave an open space? Honestly, I like tiling more for the orderliness above and beyond snapping than the dynamism. Aaaaaand that’s reminding me why I was looking at building out a LabWC environment, it has configurable snap zones.

I started dabbling in around 2000, getting sick of the instability of Windows, and it seeming like the next logical step of geekdom.

I tried a LOT of distros. Mandrake, Connectiva, Red Hat to Fedora Core, Slackware, Debian Woody, Crux, etc etc. I drifted in a Debian-centric circle until I finally landed on Arch. Lost my way for a bit during my IT career, supporting Windows I ended up just using that. But I’m back to Arch now as my daily, Debian for some networking projects, and a bit of Fedora from time to time when I need to spin something up quick.

Not really for the purpose of this thread, since pretty much anything can do what OP is asking, but any idea how the Juno Tab compares to the Starlabs Starlite in regards to build quality, cooling, and what not? I noticed the other day that the Starlite has been updated with an N350 CPU. Though it is up to a $765 starting price…

Once or twice a year I start thinking it would be nice to have a tablet. Then within a month I wonder wtf I want a tablet for.

Is it offering SMS? I ported to jmp.chat recently, using their XMPP gateway for voice and SMS. They offer a VOIP option, but don’t support SMS.

I like being able to SMS, and I guess call, from my laptop. But there aren’t any Linux XMPP clients that I’m particularly happy with, so I’m just using Cheogram in Waydroid. It’s not exactly optimal.

I imagine it would be the likes of Graphene, Lineage, Calyx, and some others at the core. Probably some hardware vendors like Fairphone, Shiftphone, and probably a Xiaomi or Huawei.

Edit: ROMs maintain their own code base, but I’m pretty sure OP was talking about a larger fork of AOSP. That’s what I’ve suggested recently, anyway.

I know, but this stuff is adding up where Pixels might stop being the golden child of the custom OS market.