@eleijeep Oh interesting hardware at €69 seems quite reasonable - Extendable with a HDD enclosure.

@irmadlad I think this is beyond one person. I certainly think there has been progress.

@mspencer712 Yeah … though I suspect that perfect could be the enemy of the good enough. I can’t really comment - but whether its a single pyhsical device or modular - for me an integrated solution available to regular people is the key.

@julian Yeah I definately didn’t think their concerns weren’t valid - I wasn’t sure that I could clearly demonstrate benefits / address concerns. (and they were technical forums) - Don’t get me started with my desire to include a link to a fediverse post in any comment I make in Reddit

@MentalEdge @HelloRoot Its going to have some really basic questions - Where are you located, who is your ISP, what kind of connection for the internet do you have coming into the house, but then also things like - what do you want your domain name to be - who else is in the house? are they an adult? get them to connect their device to the wifi, what domain name do you want to register/ use? Do you want to connect to any friends/family? Do you want to configure some of these home automation devices I we have detected?

@MentalEdge @HelloRoot Yeah I’m really thinking about something that you could fling at a friend - maybe someone who setup their phone, home router, google home or amazon alexa - and they would come out at the end with something that resembles a working internet connection and online identity.

@CompactFlax Yeah - at least logically - I get that. I’ve discussed the point on other comments.

@vhstape I’m expecting cloud hosting services to slowly creep up as people get hooked on them - I spent about $150 on a #BananaPiR3 and I think about £80 on a #DellMicro to run Proxmox on (Which I am failing at spectacularly) - There are several reasons why I think its useful - I think we are starting to see the fragility and lack of control that we have with some of these services but also Opensource is slowly pushing back the smoke and mirrors - There is a part of me that wonders whether if something such as this developed ISPs might provide basic versions of then as edge devices - or people might accept that they buy them as the accept a couple hundred quid on an an Alexa or GoogleHome.

@Onomatopoeia I think in this case redundancy could be better delivered through a degree of distribution / modularity - perhaps through keeping compontents separate (I have an issue with an application but that doesn’t knock out router features) but also through chain of trust with friends and family - you can’t access your device (network, power, application ) then you could access backups stored with others - But I do take the point - and discused it in another comment - that perhaps modularity is the answer (e.g. Having a battery backup component that cound support a router component and an app server component ) but perhaps I’m over thinking this anyway - I have no practical way of implementing such a solution / framework myself - perhaps I’m just provocatively discussing it so that people like #Netbox and @bananapi see the discussion and think - hmm perhaps we should have closer relationships with Openwrt or Yunohost - or encourage them to come together somehow…

@zuckey78 Do reach out if you want to talk Openwrt - I struggle with the community around it - I need to see faces and speak to people to connect to them - and posting help messages on forums just feels so empty - (But I’ll boost my latest challenges with ipv6 just in case - forum.openwrt.org/t/jazztel-or… )

@zuckey78 Yeah I do feel that self hosting has sort have become part of that DIY/selfbuild/homebaking/homeownership ethos - Do I think everyone would do it - no but I feel like people are realising that their lives are becoming so thin… (Well I’m trying not to speak too much for myself here… but we want some ownership/connection

One thing that I am going to do is take a look what guided tools exist for #Openwrt - Its not something that I ever looked at before but - I think that’s a micro example of what would be required to eventually deliver something like this - If users could plug a stock version of Openwrt in and be guided through setting it up to run on their internet connection that would be a step - soft of like how work with #Thunderbird to make setting up an email address in the application just as easy as possible encourages people to use it.

@otters_raft I suggested on a few forums that I belong to that using the plugin might be useful and federating content would be a good idea - What I got back was fairly negative feedback - e.g people thought it would cause people who don’t have accounts on the relevant forum being able to spam the forum and get around repuation requirements (not true I understand) - but also a kind of - query why federation would be useful - with an assumption people would just come to the forums and monitor them directly.

@mspencer712 On your point regarding a single device - I don’t think that separate hardware necessarily provides security - Though I take your point - perhaps it could be about a compatible - modular architecture - a home server, a router, a home automation hub - that are linked together easily and well.

Agree on the issue with Open source be of the “let a thousand flowers bloom” ( i just saw someone post they have a new “templated based home server” lemmy.world/post/38362941 ) - but I think thats a strength - people try stuff out - things are more loosely coupled and rely on open standards - perhaps that’s a whole philispophical discussion but I think open source and open standards would attract hardware vendors - (I’m seeing plently more Openwrt based routers on chinese marketplaces than I used to - they just don’t want the overhead of having to provide their own fully featured software.

I also get the - at the moment doing it yourself requires knitting together alot of stuff - that’s my point - the components are all there - its more about bringing them together and smoothing the surfaces - something that I think #Homeassistant seem to be quite good at - Perhaps what is required is that kind of organisation - where there is the prospect of picking up some funding and selling some hardware that comes with all the branding.

@trd Yeah I would say it is… Flashing Openwrt onto it gives you a router - (which you need to configure yourself to get working with your internet connection ) and I have seen that people are experimenting with putting Proxmox on it to allow you to also run other applications in VMs or containers

@tburkhol Yeah chain of trust requires social connections (link how we build trust in our real lives ) it doesn’t answer the question - Do I trust this person - but it least allows me to ask - could I trust this person - Friends of friends - I’d probably only trust them with encrpyted backups of bits of any particular photo where I know they don’t have either the whole photo or the encrptyion keys to decrypt it.

@foremanguy92_ Yes. @coopcloud (who I think are more focused on the more technical end of managing multiple servers) have a comparision that includes some other alternatives on the templated #homeserver- docs.coopcloud.tech/intro/comp…

I’ve also seen that people are building solutions that are a mix of #Proxmox, #Openwrt and some of the solutions above to bring things together on a single server - But that’s definately a level of complexity that is beyond almost everyone at the moment (but is perhaps moving the concept in the right direction.

@MentalEdge @HelloRoot Yeah I think these are all part of the evolution - rather than the coming together of something that really would pick up mass adoption.

@lemmefixdat4u Oh yeah … Indeed the #minipc form factor is definately driving this (along with the Router forum factor devices based on #ARM) - Of course the form factor is kind of irrelevant - I think the key is that its something that you can replace your ISP provided router with - Giving it direct internet connection. All the building blocks seem to be there but maybe just aren’t quite there yet. #homeassistant are definately doing things on the #homeautomation device - linking software and hardware, so are #Openwrt with #OpenwrtOne - but the three spheres - Home Automation, Router and Home Server don’t seem to have come together completely yet.

@MentalEdge @HelloRoot Yes - #Openmediavault is one of the open source projects that I think are driving towards making something that could be close to what I am talking about.