I entirely agree. I deleted this comment and re-commented it on another comment. Was meant to reply to the person but accidentally made a separate comment.

Israeli Maccabi fans started; Dutch police officer explaining (I also think the other is from UK?).

Would also like to show you multiple Instagram links from my other comment Another comment of mine.

From what I understand; Israeli fans started, Pro-Palestine supporters reacted and then the entire clash happened.

The main issue is (at least in The Netherlands), the official news outlets never explain what Israeli fans did, they victimize Israeli’s and claim that they’re are the hurted ones. Blames all the Pro-Palestine people only.

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No sympathy, it’s his own fault. Sure, enjoy pirates games but don’t taunt, stream and publicly shout where to get them.

Enjoy leaked games in silence and talk about it once it hits official release date.

It’s all over Instagram; Israeli fans disrupted remembrance, shouted shit about Gazans and when they lost the football match - they started to riot.

1. Israeli fans shouting Racist things (Instagram)
2. Israeli fans causing chaos in Amsterdam (Instagram)
3. Israeli fans chaotic chaos 2 (Instagram)
4. More evidence of Israeli behavior

“Don’t overthink it” & “worrying won’t solve the problem when you have to wait anyway”.

I always give that advice. However, I, personally, always overthink and keep worrying.

Haaretz is an Israeli newspaper right? If so, I’m surprised.

Who is and why?

I firmly believe if a new World War happens, it is because of Israel’s actions and US enabling it. But that’s just my opinion and thoughts.

Palestine, Lebnon and now Syria. They sure are going for the full gang?

Since you cannot stay polite, didn’t give the particular source about your claim of Gaza Civilians and do not give sources about your new claims. Our debate ends here. You can keep commenting but I refuse to after this one.

I don’t care about “gotcha”, I care about respectful debates. However, I have lost interest with debating you already (due to that particular statement).

Let’s not forget the current war in Israel started when Hamas terrorists (and Gazan civilians) actually murdered 1200 Israeli civilians. In the most barbaric way possible. And then took 250 more people hostage. Last time I checked, Ukrainian terrorists did not invade Russia and butcher civilians and take more prisoner. Israel and Russia are not analogous in the slightest.

The attack that Hamas did is horrifying and should not have happened. Indeed. However, it did NOT start on 7th of October. The entire situation was already incredibly horrifying, bad and seriously unhealthy for Palestinians within Israel and in Gaza.

In the most barbaric way possible

Was it barbaric? Yes, certainly. But most barbaric, no. Considering what Israeli government has done to Palestinians from 1948 to 2024 (ongoing).

Here are some articles;

1. The Israeli army’s use of Palestinian civilians as human shields has been documented on a large scale
2. Israel’s human shields: Its own people
3. This is how Israel uses its own people as human shields
4. Israeli troops killed hostages, mistaking their cries for help as ambush -military
5. 3 hostages killed by Israeli soldier in Gaza were waving a white flag, Israel says
6. How an Israeli raid freed 4 hostages and killed at least 274 Palestinians in Gaza
7. Strapped down, blindfolded, held in diapers: Israeli whistleblowers detail abuse of Palestinians in shadowy detention center.
8. Israeli forces’ systemic denial of fair trial rights to Palestinian child prisoners amounts to arbitrary detention
9. Israel’s PM Netanyahu ‘proud’ of preventing establishment of a Palestinian state
10. Far-right minister says nuking Gaza an option, PM suspends him from cabinet meetings
11. Israel Defense Minister Calls Palestinians ‘Human Animals’ Amid Israeli Aggression
12. Israeli politician: Palestinian prisoners should be allowed to be raped
13. Born Without Civil Rights; Israel’s Use of Draconian Military Orders to Repress Palestinians in the West Bank
14. Video appears to show IDF soldiers sexually abusing Palestinian detainee

And two images of massacres Israel has done. Because you see, Israel has done so many horrifying and bad things, I’m unable to post it all here;

Israel and Russia are not analogous in the slightest.

My whole point is; both are bad and shit. Both should be held accountable. Yet Zelensky praising Israel for so called ‘‘defending themselves’’ while, Israel is basically doing the same thing as Russia. Stealing land. He finds it entirely okay for Israel to murder thousands of Palestinian people but when it happens to his country, that’s not good all of a sudden.

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Let’s not forget the current war in Israel started when Hamas terrorists (and Gazan civilians) actually murdered 1200 Israeli civilians.

Do you have an trustable source (EVIDENCE) that Gaza civillians were doing that? Because that’s a immensely high accusation to make without any evidence. Spreading that without evidence is dangerous and makes me wonder whether you have malicious intent or not.

EDIT 2: Checking your profile, you seem to be a Israel-supporter. The craziest comment I found was this one; you claiming Israel is not purposefully targetting civillians. This proves your bias. All evidence speaks against you.

The UN exists solely as a forum where countries always have a place for dialogue, no matter how high the temperature.

Not entirely true. The UN is here and can do;

• The UN is there to keep Peace and Security which it is failing.
• Pass binding resolutions, which it is failing.
• The UN has authority to impose international sanctions which it has not really done against Israel
• Refer cases to the International Criminal Court, has happened (I think?) but nothing happened after that. So IE; means nothing.

I find it quite ironic that you only pin-point the comment about, the UN. But left out everything else about Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Palestine.

To continue on your comment, on another Lemmy-user;

Yeah, we disagree on the whole illegal occupation part when it comes to Israel proper.

It has been said by the UN that it is indeed illegal occupation

1. Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, tantamount to ‘settler-colonialism’: UN expert.
2. International law obliges Israel to end occupation.
3. Top UN court says Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories is illegal
4. UN votes against Israel’s occupation of Palestine: Will it change anything?

• Article 3 even has a video about it.

And this in turn leads to disagreement about a lot of the other aspects.

Disagreement or not - UN has said it is an illegal occupation and that Israel should end it. Not only that, stealing land, murdering thousands of people, rape, illegal settlements and most of their political statements (such as; ‘‘nuke Gaza’’ and ‘‘Palestinians are animals’’). All indicate and prove this statement.

This just shows your bias regarding Israel as a whole.

Everything in life has to do with priorities and where you put them and when it comes to the founding of Israel we disagree.

Incredible that you mentioned the founding of Israel! Because;

• David Ben-Gurion.
• Yitzhak Shamir.
• Manchem Begin.

David Ben Gurion, was a leader of the Jewish terrorist organization, Haganah. Sanctioned the bombing of SS Patria (French-built ocean liner) and murdered more than 270 people. Gurion become Israel’s first Prime Minster.

Yitzhak Shamir, was a leader of the Jewish terrorist organization, Stern Gang and sanctioned the assassination of a British official and a UN official. He became a Prime Minister of Israel too.

Manchem Begin, was a leader of the Jewish terrorist organization, Irgun and sanctioned the bombing of hotel King David Hotel and murdered 91 people. He too became a Prime Minister of Israel.

Wiki:

1. Patria Disaster, just alt+F and search Davids name.
2. Davids Wikipage.
3. The Assassination of Count Bernadotte, which also goes in depth about Yitzak’s role.
4. Yitzaks wikipage.
5. Manchem wikipage which also goes in depth about his role on the King David Hotel bombing.

Do you actually know the history of Israel state?

EDIT: Another article - Creation of Israel, 1948

Well innocents die in every war.

Does not take away that it is immensely horrifying for every innocent person. For all three (even four); All innocent Palestinians, Israeli’s, Ukrainians and Russians who do not want to go to war. Most just want to live their lives peacefully.

In the Russia Ukraine war it is clear who is the bad guy.

And so it is with the Israel-Palestine war. No offense but have you read the history? 1948-2024. Hamas only exists because of Israel’s action from 1948 to 1987. It is clear who started it and it is clear who are the bad guys. In this case, Israel started it, Israel are the main bad guys and then Hamas. There’s a whole argument regard Hamas being The Resistance but that’s for another time.

The UN is not a “do anything about it” it is a diplomatic forum.

My point is, the UN is quite much a joke at this point. They cannot do anything while Israel has violated every international law. Diplomatic or not, they haven’t done much and I do not expect much from the UN anymore.

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The conflicts are not even remotely the same, and you’re doing Putin’s work by spreading the nonsense trying to conflate the 2.

Innocent people are being murdered. That’s what matters. So it is not nonsense but if that’s what you want to believe, that’s fine. Russia wanting to take over Ukraine land, Israel wanting to take over Palestinian land. The difference is that Israel is doing genocide with much more brutality.

Edit: besides that, the UN secretary should be there. BRICS might turn into a major power block, it’s his job to stay informed.

Considering everything that’s happening and the UN can’t do much about it…?

I mean, I get it, it’s shit. However, don’t forget Ukraine (Zelensky) is siding with Israel and find it (apparently) okay that they’re murdering thousands of innocent Palestinians. Genocide.

Both Russia and Israel are murdering innocent people.

Lots of talking by PM’s, other politicians and leaders yet almost zero to none actions taken against Israel.

A lot of international laws been violated (if not all?) and nothing changed. Why do these laws exist if one state can just do whatever they want and murder human beings as if it is a videogame?

Was immensely busy and focused to finish my university meanwhile trying to get bit of peace through reading books and gaming.

Also nowadays mainly use rss-feed for everything (Blogs, News, Reddit and Lemmy).

• World leaders finding it okay that thousands of people are dying being murdered (as if it is a video game for them).
• Everything gets more and more expensive.
• My country just gave 4B to another country but there are so many issues. They want to give students “long study fines” & People can’t pay well for their groceries.
• The overall hate, racism and fascism.

Could make a whole longer list.