It’s really unfortunate.

Oh gosh I didn’t even know that.

His son. He dangled him when he was holding him on a balcony over the heads of fans. I don’t know why.

Understood. The TV show was totally hilarious.

I was talking about them in this thread because I’m also a fan, and I don’t believe a word that Tokkie said. I think they’re not great people but I think that’s all horseshit.

I like him even though I’m not into pop, he’s like the only pop star l listen to.

Oh wow.

I love that you have CDs though.

Ha he is crusty.

Those books are wild.

Grunge is so dull. I am all for generations developing their own style of music without question but I can’t believe we turned away from 80s music to THAT. I thought Nirvana was mediocre as can be. Love Mechanical Animals, but like all of his albums to some degree. I’m glad he’s gotten back on his feet in life and got sober and lost the weight.

Die Antwoord, what Tokkie is saying just sounds so outlandishly fake. I don’t think they’re great people but I actually think they care a lot about their kids.

I do too. I pretty much hated all music made in the 90s; I think grunge is awful and so is NIN, but I felt like Manson was a natural extension of what bands like WASP and Motley Crue were doing but reinvented for that generation, and it’s really good. I like music that has some concept and theater to it. I still listen to him.

I also like Die Antwoord; I think the accusations by their adopted son are total bullshit. I’m not saying they’re good people and I do think they’re homophobic, but also a lot of their image is obviously artificial and they obfuscate their true lives, it’s clear from reading their interviews. I think they’re genuinely average middle aged parents from South Africa, and I think what Ninja said about their son making accusations was to try to get money from them is true. I really dig their crazy music and their videos are insane.

I remember the Vanity Fair article about Cruise where he was having a tantrum at a dinner somewhere and saying “even my own sister can’t get me a girlfriend”. The article goes on to say that Scientology procured him a girlfriend but later on basically fired her. I don’t think he understands human relationships.

I don’t think we’ll ever know. I have a feeling he actually wasn’t a pedophile at all, but just felt close to children because he had Peter Pan syndrome or something. He seemed very infantile to me is the only real sense I got of him. Strange person. But without question he did make some r really iconic music.

Fair. I wish the art people made wasn’t tainted by their behaviour.

Like I have a soft spot for Vince Neil even though he killed people drunk driving, because of how his poor little daughter died and how badly it’s affected him. I can’t help it.

I love Manson’s music and I always enjoy hearing him interviewed. I struggle with that too.

He really is.

I think you mean Lewis CK :)

I heard someone went on a date with him and he bought some insanely expensive watch on it. I think he didn’t deal with the loneliness of fame well.

That is nice.

One day a woman was mad at everyone for not giving up their seats for her as she had a stroller. It contained three cases of beer and a basket of laundry.

How did the other people riding the bus feel about this LOL.