- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@lemmy.ml
- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@lemmy.ml
“We were at a village that Israeli settlers had destroyed, they had destroyed the school, they had destroyed that village, and we were just looking at it,” said Khanna, a progressive lawmaker from California in the U.S. House of Representatives.
“And these hoodlums come in with machine guns – M4, an American-made machine gun – and they detain us. They block off the road. And then they call the IDF and the IDF is on their side, not on the side of the Americans,” Khanna said, referring to the Israeli military.
An aide to Khanna who was in the group, Cameron Kasky, said they were held for more than an hour and made appeals to the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem for help. A group of officers who appeared to be police eventually intervened, leading to their release, Kasky said.
My “plea” is simply that when you talk to people that are ripe for radicalization, you ask yourself first “is this helpful” rather than just caring only about “being correct”.
It’s the “coffee shop” test mate. If you overheard a conversation about the OP in a coffee shop would you bust in and start screaming about how much of a Zionist the Congressman is? Or would you act like a normal human being and try to meet people where they are at? You don’t convince people that are just finally becoming critical of Israel of your (our) position by not first acknowledging where they are correct in their thinking. We are humans. They’re gonna close their minds when you say shit like this. You’re not saying something to be helpful. You’re saying something to be “shocking” to them for your own self self aggrandizement.
You started this with “the zionist is getting attacked by Zionist”. You said that for yourself. You only started “educating” people after you got the reaction you were looking for. So you could argue with someone that would never agree with you because you essentially screamed at them in a coffee shop.
I’m literally commenting here in response to you only because of how badly you’re communicating something I agree with. I don’t think I deserve a “fuck off” for that. But, I guess if you were good at communicating we wouldn’t have gotten to that point in the first place.
You‘re ridiculous. Please stop wasting my time with your fantasy arguments.
You need to go outside mate. I’m not reading all that. You’re proving my point of being bad at communicating with people. THATS MY CRITICISM. Which you didn’t address from a quick glance of your novel. You’re doing the thing I’m critizing you for. Good day.
Classic.
Sleazy wheezy, I see.
I had to read your two mistaken diatribes, too. I‘m reacting directly to their substance. You‘re so full of yourself, that you‘re not even reading the answers.
Stop accusing me of shit I didnt do.
Stop being dishonest.
Stop harrassing me.
Harassing? Now you’ve dropped into a victim complex. You’re spiralling mate. It’s embarrassing. Ironically you’re acting like a Zionist. A small amount of constructive criticism for the way you communicate. You’ve completely lost the plot that youve deluded yourself.
It’s straight wrong stuff you proclaim. Either read the comment or stfu.
It’s an opinion on the way you communicate mate. There is nothing to refute. That’s why none of your list of bullet points addressed it. You essentially said “nuh uh” and then rambled about irrelevant justifications for why you communicate like a dickhead.
When someone tells you you’re being a dickhead about the way you communicate and then you give a list of bullet points to justify why you’re acting like a dickhead, well, you’re just kind of proving the point. I read it. There is nothing you addressed on my criticism. You just justified to yourself why you decide to communicate like a dickhead. And if people don’t learn from you then apparently that’s there problem.
It’s not there problem. It’s our problem. It is our job as leftist to radicalize people. If you’re not actually trying to do that, and every conversation ends with you feeling superior for “being educated” while doing nothing to convince people then that is your failure NOT others.
I started this conversation with empathy for your frustrations. But you are so lost in your own individualization and personal identity that you made it all about yourself and started playing victim. Your acting like a “special snowflake liberal” and making it all about yourself. Listing out justifications for your own lack of communication skills because you refuse to address the actual criticism.
Which is why you can’t understand that the criticism and advice I was giving is about how to actually convince people, educate people, and how to actually radicalize people. The average person isn’t going to be convinced by “facts and logic” while you say something to piss them off . That’s what you did. Doing that closes them off. It makes them turn into this same defensive stance that you yourself are stuck in RIGHT NOW. Ironically enough.
That’s why I started my comment with agreeing with your definitions and criticisms of liberal zionist. I had hoped that would help you understand that the criticism I have comes from a place of understanding. But, some people are hopeless in trying to help I guess.
I’m not reading all that 🖕
I’ve read and understood your criticism in the first comment. I disagreed and rejected it, gave my reasoning and think you yourself
are neither helpful,
are not a good communicator,
have started off of a false premise (a fact you now ignore),
are actually screaming (caps more than once),
are slanderous in almost every sentence,
are hiding your own dickheadery under a veil of “helpfulness”,
are actually self aggrandizing through your demeaning style to reprimand my writing style based on your opinion alone,
allege stuff that’s just not true,
psychologize me to put me down,
are clearly unable to see your own failed communication.
But sure, in a few very helpful comments you analyzed, that I’m a “dickhead”, that
is “making those advocating for the Palestinians look unreasonable and irrational”,
that’s not “letting it be”,
that’s “not saying something to be helpful”,
only “cares about being correct”,
only “wants to shock” (lol),
“screams”,
only “starts to educate people after getting the reaction I supposedly were looking for” (which is factually incorrect),
only wants to argue “with someone that would never agree with me”,
that needs to go outside,
writes answers which are not worth the read,
drops into a victim complex,
is spiralling,
is definitely not your mate,
is embarrassing,
has completely lost the plot,
has deluded himself,
is rambling about irrelevant justifications,
doesn’t listen to “someone telling me I’m being a dickhead about the way I communicate”,
is not doing “the job” right,
ends every conversation “with me feeling superior for being educated”,
while doing nothing to convince people,
is “lost in my own individualization and personal identity”,
“make it all about myself”,
“plays victim”,
“acts like a special snowflake liberal”,
“refuses to address the actual criticism”,
is “stuck in the same defensive stance RIGHT NOW”,
“can’t understand what your well formulated, benevolent criticism is about”,
“closes people off, by pissing them off” (happens, true, get over it),
does not understand, that your criticism “comes from a place of understanding” and
is one of the people being “hopeless in trying to be helped”.
Thank you so much, that you started “this conversation” with “empathy for my frustrations”, with “agreeing with my definitions and criticisms”. Also, thank you for wasting both of our time, when we could have used it “for the cause”.
As I said, the fuck off is warranted. And if somebody is a dickhead here, that’s you. Btw, I’m not making it about myself, you keep making it about me. removed