We had a recent faculty retreat to deal with this issue. The result was measures going back to the future.
No more online quizzes and exams, pen and paper.
No more PowerPoint slides shared with class.
1/3 of lectures are on the whiteboards again.
People are getting into medical schools cheating with AI. We have students getting A+ without ever showing up. We are now seeing a record number of students getting withdrawn from medical and graduate schools because they faked it until they didn’t make it.
This is coming from high schools where teachers are telling kids AI is the future.
Well obviously. AI is a bubble, which is mostly vaporware. The point was always to sell it, and what better place than a school? The administration will force it on the teachers and students, and that’s that.
The technology itself is simply irrelevant. All you need to know is that it’s a bubble and the purchasers don’t care what the users think, and then failure is guaranteed.
“May be doing more harm than good” but, honest question, is there evidence it’s doing any good in schools? I know I’m probably not going to get a balanced opinion here, but is the bad outweighed by good, or is the bad outweighed by neutral at best?
Well, now you’re asking a definitional question. What counts as “AI”? If I use OCR to help grade multiple choice tests, I’ve saved hours. That’s AI, isn’t it? What about spaced repetition for flashcards or dynamic question selection for quizzes? Do they count? … So then we’re back to the same old story. People want to sell weird fancy useless shit (that counts as AI), so you ask if AI has value, and then they reply by giving you more traditional examples (that also count as AI), and then the whole conversation leads nowhere.
Anyway, let’s focus it. Let’s go with ChatGPT as a generative tool. Then still there are some real gains that can be made. Small but real.
- If I’m brainstorming ideas for a lesson plan and use ChatGPT to come up with 10 ideas that I use for inspiration, maybe that’s OK.
- If I need a graphic to illustrate some concept to the students and I use genAI to create it, could be useful.
- We can come up with dozens of things just like this. Teachers using generative AI in small ways for specific tasks to speed up their workflow.
Hmm, I think all of your examples were examples of the teachers during prep, which is interesting, but not what I would have called “in the classroom”. I got the sense the article was talking more about it being in the hands of students, but maybe I’m wrong about that?
Just wait until you find out how many teachers are relying on it
The real problem is that teachers aren’t being paid enough to give a fuck.
doesn’t stop them from giving a fuck though.
my wife was at a school where no one in her grade used the llms. like, they already had established curriculum. they didn’t need to. she moved last year. now her principal uses claude to read and respond to all her emails. who knows what else. it’s obvious and infuriating. the whole damn school is struggling because of it. i want to tell the principal “you know, the district hired you, not the openAI. keep using the AIs and the district will wonder why they hired you” but it would cost my wife her job come pink slip time.
so it really depends on the district and the school.
I wish there were more teachers like your wife. I also wish I could afford to become a teacher myself, but could never afford the pay cut.
it was a pay raise for us. my wife was a school district interpreter. they make about half what teachers do
It’s important to have these studies, even though the result is predictable. People who want to move toward restricting AI in schools need something more than anecdotes to point to as justification.
I’ve been interviewing software engineers for many years, and this was the first year the “AI natives” started graduating and applying for jobs.
Never had such a high rate of people completely unable to write one line of code in a language that appears on their CV, it’s been about 50% in the last few months where I had to end the interview during the warmup question.
Headline within the decade:
Study says AI
in schools maybe doingmoreharmthan goodBecause why would removing all creative and high paying proletariat jobs leaving only the worst and lowest paying ones, offloading all critical thought to shitty machines based in drought stricken areas that are destroying water availability, and eliminating online discourse, ever possibly backfire for the proletariat.
Well, no shit.
You mean the computer program that removes the critical thinking aspect of school instruction is having detrimental effects on americas children and their excecutive functions? Say it ain’t so.
Now now, there is no real proof that getting something or someone else to do things for you would stop you from learning how to do it!!
Look at me, I got someone to pass my driving test and I’ve only had 22 accidents this year. Way down on last year!!
It’s as if some notable proportion of humanity suddenly switched to eating nothing but vaguely food-shaped plastic, then a study concluded that that might have negative effects nutritionally.
No shit?
When I was in year 12 of high school last year, some students attempted to use ChatGPT to write their practice exams for them. Mind you, these practice exams are the same as proper state mandated exams, where there are to be zero electronics used whatsoever unless it’s a disability aid, but the practice ones are also just that, to practice your skills, not to write it off as some worthless obligation.
There were actually heaps more of these students who entirely used LLMs for their assignments, would be made to rewrite them because it’s AI written, then proceed to have ChatGPT write it again and pass it through a ‘humaniser’ which just made it unreadable. It’s alarming that these people are willing to stop using their mind at all just because some service from half way across the world wrote an essay better than they could before.
Off topic, but it’s kinda cool to know younger folks are on the Feddiverse! Thought lemmy was just a bunch of old people like me haha
Grok is that true?
no shit!
Zero poop.
Absence of bowel movement
Dearth of excrement
Crapless
Very little duh.
Fork found in kitchen
Yes! lol.
And wait until the confirmation study of the water in the kitchen sink comes back! Initial findings strongly imply it may be wet!
My grade 4 teacher let us cheat on multiplication tables which still has me screwed up for doing multiplication and division in my head
