Lots of layoffs (“re-evaluating our operational footprint”) and switching to “agentic” processes. Target user is AI.
Anyone still hosting Gitlab?
Just like everyone has already done I’d also recommend Codeberg/Forgejo👌
Is every mother fucker just going bat shit insane this year? Goddamn it.
Codeberg has always been perfectly sane
lol I just created my gitlab account today to get away from github and after reading this the account has been scheduled for deletion and now I have a new account with Codeberg. When are these dipshits going to learn that we don’t want AI in our workflows? I am capable of breaking things on my own, but at least when I break things I will learn from it.
Selfhost
Yeah I could do that, I have never done it before though which is why I was looking for another remote to use. Are there any good guides/tools out there you would recommend?
Check out forgejo self hosting gitlab is overkill.
I just selfhost bare git repos on an ssh server
That’s a perfectly viable approach for users who aren’t interested in forge tooling and just need git push/pull capability.
Thank you!
Ugh, but I don’t want to buy a Mac mini for those CI builds
Can you clarify something about self-hosting for me please. If I want to collaborate with other people on self-hosted a git repo, do I need to have a static IP or a router device that is compatible with services like noip, and open up ports which opens up my local network to constant attacks from outside it?
It is usually easier to rent a vps with a domain to run as a reverse proxy or a tunneling server between your server and users. Dynamic DNS and static IPs depend on the internet provider offering real outbound access and not a NAT. Plus any internet facing service should be hardened for security in some way, which it is usually provided in service packages for the vps.
Run gitea on a small box.
They endlessly tooted their horn about their diversity and fully remote operations. So this is pretty rich.
“This isn’t cost cutting” Oh, fuck off. This is trimming the fat before they try to look for a buyer again.
Gitlab CEO - 16 years in Microsoft, Gitlab CTO - 13 years in Microsoft
Can we say Microsoft Gitlab ?I hope not: we’re migrating from Gitlab to GitHub. I was never a fan because of the lack of enterprise features in GitHub (folders, with more granularity of settings and permissions, scalable usability), and certainly GitLab CI was extremely limited but wtf
Gitlab isn’t owned or controlled by Microsoft
No one claimed it was.
Forgejo is great.
I don’t think that they’ve used enough buzzwords.
Increased buzzword utilization is part of their go forward strategy that begins implementation in Q3 pending socialization of relevant KPI. obviously.
Synergizing good EQ through the single pane of glass.
I always love to see companies do this with a semi open source product with investors
The code gets closed, a small clump of users split off, make their own version with beet and hookers, and soon the vast majority of the users following because the real open source one is so awesome
That was jellyfin’s story, but this is a variation on that and I’ve seen this story many times now
Bye bye gitlab,rest in pieces
with beet and hookers
I work on Jellyfin, but don’t like beets. Do I need to fork again?
Idiotic. Use codeberg.
MacOS CI jobs?
Sucks, I manage GitLab in our company and it’s been difficult to maintain already without the vibe coded shit updates that break everything. I’ll need to see what are our options our but my assumption is that there aren’t any.
Forgeo?
The enterprise features we rely on do not exist in Forgejo last time I checked (8 months ago). Maybe it improved. Hell, my company would probably even be onboard moving to Forgejo if we can get a support contract with them and some of the enterprise features we rely upon (SCIM being the main one).
Here’s some offers on professional support: https://codeberg.org/forgejo/professional-services/issues
Ouch. My company was just about to start moving over to GitLab off of Atlassian.
That makes sense, since Gitlab seems to be trying to challenge Atlassian. In who manages to make worse software…
We use atlassian at my job and I hate it
I like that I can read this as you stating you use Atlassian yet hate Gitlab, and the statement still works either way 😅
I always avoided gitlab as much as possible tbh because of how awful the interface is
also I just want to add that we just moved to on cloud atlassian and it is even worse
My condolences.
After having to use their cloud version for a while I can confidently say that everything is even worse now 👍
“Software will be built by machines, directed by people.”
Oh my lord. Is this a delayed April Fools post?
This is dangerous for me to say on lemmy, but fuck it.
Doesn’t it make sense that machines would write for machines? Isn’t that kind of what we already do by creating compilation layers programmers use? We obviously wouldn’t write the manual 1’s and 0’s, and most people don’t write using assembly. Is this not a translation layer for us to be able to write code?
Right now we have LLMs writing with languages designed for humans, and it’s already doing some pretty wild stuff. If we get to the point where AI is literally a coding model (and not a generic LLM) that is able to use an AI optimized way of writing code, who knows what it would be capable of.
Code is one of the few things AI is specially suited for. AI is just a big fancy prediction machine, so what better application than something that is by definition formulaic and patternistic like code? I am not saying we are there now, but rather the idea that machines should write software does make sense when it becomes actually feasible.
If we could have programmed like this from the beginning, we would have. There has been many evolutions of making it easier to code. What’s easier than plain language?
@Bazoogle @1hitsong First of all - when it comes to creating programs, you want the output to be deterministic. Stochastic program output is a serious problem, as you _will_ get unreproducible bugs. Second, plain language is _not_ easy except for the simplest of tasks. Actual programs need to handle all kinds of corner cases and hardware weirdness and human weirdness. Your “plain language” goes from “do a thing” very quickly to “do a thing. but not that thing. or that other thing. and and and…”
Your “plain language” goes from “do a thing” very quickly to “do a thing. but not that thing. or that other thing. and and and…”
Your options would be write all those things in plain language, or program them all eith (hopefully) no mistakes, bugs, or vulnerabilities. Either way you have to catch all the situations. Even in plain language, not everybody will be able to effectively use AI to generate code. You need to have a solid understanding of software architecture to be able to get useful output.
when it comes to creating programs, you want the output to be deterministic
AI is capable of writing deterministic programs.
I would also like to preemptively emphasize that AI is not there yet. I am simply talking about the concept of machines creating software. If you try to step back from your anti-AI gut reaction and truly think about it, it would make sense to do if we get there technologically
I don’t know why anyone should take your post seriously when you say that AI isn’t there yet. You’re saying, purely hypothetically, that AI could do these things, if it existed, which it doesn’t. That can’t be argued against because no matter what anyone points to, you can just say that isn’t it.
But, like, your basic premise that machines would be the best programmers of machines is inherently flawed because humans created those machines, and thus it should actually stand that humans would thus be the best programmers of those machines. But that’s a reductive argument that kinda is more tell than show.
Programming is really just some layer of abstraction on modifying how a computer works, so vibecoding should really be just another layer to that abstraction. But as it stands now (and how we have specifically created our current LLMs), these outputs are not deterministic, and thus sort of fail as a means to program with. That’s one of dozens of reasons of why it fails as a programming substitute.
I may be considering AI usage from a different angle. I’m less interested in the technical side than I am from the moral side.
AI companies trained their agents using open source software, did not contribute back to the code, did not credit the authors, and now want to sell it back to the same people they ripped off.
As an open source project maintainer, I’m disgusted by this.
I’m also a musician. AI companies trained agents on other people’s music without giving anything back to them. This also is disgusting.
AI trained on people’s work now lets you circumvent paying the original creators.
Add to this resource usage and environmental impact.
This is why I see AI usage as immoral. It hurts real people.
The only upside I see is their stock has fallen since this announcement. Perhaps the market is finally getting that companies pushing AI isn’t a universal good thing?
This is why we built and released the Duo Agent Platform in January. Our first quarter adoption is promising, and we’re ready to accelerate.
This is so weird. They gave a Duo presentation at our company and I was a bit second hand embarrassed because it’s just bad.
Anyway, the stock price will probably go up after this announcement…
Stock went down though
Damn
My work started a trial of Duo and it actually was rather helpful. I liked it better than other teams just copy pasting output from gitlab to claude or something. Integrated well and had the option to hide all of it if you didn’t want any of it.
I would have liked it just for the integration with code reviews, but we didn’t even get a chance to try because “it’s too expensive” …… as we’re migrating from on-prem infrastructure licensed per site to cloud infrastructure charged per usage, and with no valid cost comparison
Interesting. This copy/paste approach was pretty much what they suggested we use. Either that or letting the agent do it’s thing completely on its own.
We use GitHub copilot now. And compared to that, Duo is lacking lot.
Still hosting gitlab.
The CI on forgejo is, unfortunately, nowhere near as good.
Given how long gitlab has been struggling to fix basic bugs and instead creeping into features - hello-oo bloated and slow vscode-like web editor and non-ephemeral runner management - I’m not sure they have any staff left to let go. But it’s nice they found an excuse to shed their remaining talent and avoid complete stock devaluation.
The planning is happening openly, including a voluntary separation window.
“We don’t understand how the Dead Sea Effect works, and we want to super-size the damage.”. Okay, Bill.
FWIW Forgejo with Woodpecker CI is 👌 - a lot more like gitlab ci without the bullshit. It’s still basic by comparison though. I don’t think it supports templates
