• Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    A lot of Russians support the war, though. Those deserve what they’re getting. And they’re very lucky it’s the Ukrainians invading them, not the Russians.

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      3 months ago

      But how many of them support the war because the only media available is Russian state propaganda?

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        3 months ago

        the answer is - it doesn’t matter. the biggest learning from the nazi germany was that you don’t need the entire population of a country to be homicidal psychopaths. all you need is a small group of those psychopaths, control or media, propaganda and you get a perfectly functioning system where normal everyday folks go to their normal everyday jobs.

        just those jobs are in gestapo. or in maintenance of gas chambers. or making food for the equally confused soldiers.

        of course, we should avoid civilian casualties as much as we can (but apparently russian army is not required) but the system needs to be stopped.

        russia has cancer. chemoterapy is not a pleasant procedure that affects both ill and healthy cells. the alternative is, unfortunately, to allow that cancer to spread to the entire planet.

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          3 months ago

          I’m just saying we can’t just assume these people would be in favor of the war if they weren’t forced to only consume pro-regime media. I’m sure a lot of North Koreans support the Kim regime because they’ve been indoctrinated since childhood with basically no accurate information about anything, so they just don’t know. But if you read the accounts of the ones who do end up escaping to the south, they’re just floored by how the world really is.

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            3 months ago

            Of course we cannot. I agree with you that nobody is born evil or a criminal (even psychopaths are not guaranteed to become serial killers).

            By all means, if not for propaganda, we would live in a very different world.

            But the unfortunate fact is that they did consume enough of that propaganda to do nothing, or worse, follow the orders.

            Yes, they are not criminals by nature, but what they do is crime or at least they are an accessory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_(legal_term)