I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I’m an idiot.

  • molave@reddthat.com
    778·
    9 days ago

    The good guys are aid workers and Palestinian and Israeli civilians who do not like the conflict.

    • Naich@lemmings.world
      286·
      9 days ago

      💯 this. The people doing the kidnapping, murdering, and genocide are the bad guys. The people trying to help are the good guys.

      • MarxMadness@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        171·
        9 days ago

        The people violently resisting a genocide are also good guys.

        If someone is trying to kill you and everyone who looks like you, shooting back is good.

        • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
          11·
          9 days ago

          Shooting back is not only good, but necessary for survival.

          Folks throughout these threads would’ve been wringing their hands over occupier civilians killed in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, acting like they just can’t tell who’s right or wrong.

          • molave@reddthat.com
            31·
            9 days ago

            About the Warsaw Uprising, I thought the targets were purely German military, so while a close analogy to how Hamas framed their action, it’s not exact.

            • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
              51·
              9 days ago

              The Warsaw Uprising was an open air prison/ghetto break with a wide number of participants, both organized and not. Those facing violence by the people seeking to fight their genociders were not just those in the military. It was anyone in the way or supporting them, per individuals’ wonts.

              In addition, Hamas et al (Hamas was not the only organized group participating 10/7) did also focus on military targets while also taking hostages from a wider set. It is important to note that kibbutzim, little settler colonies, are often militarized and fired on them and others.

              • molave@reddthat.com
                21·
                8 days ago

                What sources do you have on German civilian casualties during the Warsaw Uprising?

                  • molave@reddthat.com
                    1·
                    8 days ago

                    Thanks for the resource. Couldn’t find references to casualties on German civilians inflicted by the ZOB, it’s all SS, Gestapo, and soldiers.

                    The ZOB now carried out a programme designed to rid the Jewish population of hostile elements and of those individuals who collaborated with the Germans.

                    That’s the closest I can find. And “individuals who collaborated with the Germans” suggest Jews considered as traitors