• Eldritch@piefed.world
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    20 hours ago

    In tank space sure. But not in any non-hypocrical space. Again everything you implied about China could be said about the US.

    However, it was industrialization brought up living standards. Not any particular party or ideology. In every different government and economic system industrialization has been pushed, it has benefited the population. And industrialization doesn’t make up for the oppression and abuses that said parties or ideologies commit while industrializing.

    The fact that industrialization raised the standard of living in the US doesn’t justify their theft of my ancestors land or culture. Or the enslavement of blacks. It certainly doesn’t excuse or justify China’s oppression or cultural erasure of the uhygers. Tibetans or Hong Kongers as well. If you think it does or deny their abuse you’re just a hypocrite. 🤷

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      7 hours ago

      If industrialization raises up a population, financialization plunges them.

      Corporations in the US are seeing the highest profits they’ve ever seen in history. Wage theft has never been worse. Income disparity is widening more and more every year without any prospect of redistribution in sight.

      Corporations in China, however, are folded into the state as soon as they get too large. Corporate profits are collected by the state and redistributed to the population. China has many more protections to prevent it from choosing greed and sacrificing the working people than the US.

      I want what’s happening in China to happen to us in America.

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        If industrialization raises up a population, financialization plunges them.

        Exactly, that’s why China’s economy is slowing.

        Corporations in the US are seeing the highest profits they’ve ever seen in history. Wage theft has never been worse. Income disparity is widening more and more every year without any prospect of redistribution in sight.

        Definitely, similar is happening in China as well. It’s why larger chunks of their youth aren’t participating and feel they have no place.

        Corporations in China, however, are folded into the state as soon as they get too large. Corporate profits are collected by the state and redistributed to the population. China has many more protections to prevent it from choosing greed and sacrificing the working people than the US.

        Which is largely meaningless as they exploit workers as hard or harder.

        I want what’s happening in China to happen to us in America.

        It did and is. The good bits happened over 60 years ago in the US. But we’re rapidly approaching the lack of press freedom and social surveillance China pioneered. Even as they’re approaching our inequality.