Yeah no shit mate. That’s why pump shotguns are also under a cat C licence here. The legislators weren’t stupid, they basically categorised things on fire rate and public danger.
The Adler lever actions are very questionable in my opinion. They are almost as fast. Though the one I tried would jam all the time. Lever actions like that weren’t a common thing in the 90’s so it slipped by for a while.
And saying that a bolt action is potentially worse than a semi auto is some full on American bulshit. Sure things can jam and go wrong, but in the worst case situation with aresholes like this firing into a dense crowd where aim doesn’t really matter, faster shooting is more casualties.
Sorry maybe I’m giving away my country of origin but this part here is really hard for me to wrap my head around. I have no prior experience with this concept to relate to. Please be patient with me. 🤔
Haha. We have plenty of moron politicians. But typically all our legislation is usually written by public servants with expert advice and lawyers, and even they get it wrong sometimes. The politicians direct what they want, but most of them have never written a law. I assumed it worked this way in most places.
Got two vintage bolt-action shotguns. Both suck, but they weren’t that great to begin with. Been wanting a lever action! Seems that would be about as fast as a pump? Never touched one. LOL, never seen one IRL.
I didn’t say a bolt-action was potentially worse? I did say that a pump is mostly better than a semi. I did say a single-shot is potentially worse than all of the above.
I know that doesn’t make sense, very counter intuitive. But I have never, not once, had a single-shot fail unless the load itself failed, and I have some truly shitty single-shots. I should add the caveat that the single-shot needs to eject the spent shell, or you’re really going to be slow.
Hard to explain unless one has the experience. With a single-shot you get into a rhythm; aim, fire, break, reload, fire, aim, fire, break, reload, fire. It’s easy to spaz out with a semi and loose all your ammo. When your shots are limited, you take the extra split second to aim, make it count.
Or, consider this, if we’re talking about mass causalities; what about reloading? There are techniques like “violin reloading”, or “combat loading” singles, that go fast, but take serious and continuous practice. If we were both challenged to send 10 shots downrange, on target, bet I could do better with a single shot. First 5? Ya got me, assuming you didn’t spaz out and spray lead all around. 10? I never stopped or hesitated, and I had the extra second to consider the situation and aim.
Anyway, if you ever make it to Florida, hunt me down and we’ll go to my little camp in the swamp. Have a friendly shoot!
All good mate, I mostly just try and stop the spread of misinformation on Aus gun laws. Most people don’t know much about them.
The leaver actions are fast. The main difference is that you can leave your finger on the trigger for a pump and are meant to take it off for the leaver action, though you could do it with your non trigger hand. People are also buying left handed bolt action shotguns to get around this, though it’s more awkward. All our shotguns have a capacity limit, usually 5 or less. It looks like these guys modified their barrel mags to hold more.
You’re not wrong about wasted ammo, reliability and reload speed, but you have to think about the worst case scenarios. Situation: close range, large dense crowd, shooter with an unreasonable amount of ammunition, and best luck in the world with no jams or reliability issues. That’s the formula for mass casualties. This is what our laws are effective at protecting against, primarily by limiting the rate of fire.
Yeah no shit mate. That’s why pump shotguns are also under a cat C licence here. The legislators weren’t stupid, they basically categorised things on fire rate and public danger.
The Adler lever actions are very questionable in my opinion. They are almost as fast. Though the one I tried would jam all the time. Lever actions like that weren’t a common thing in the 90’s so it slipped by for a while.
And saying that a bolt action is potentially worse than a semi auto is some full on American bulshit. Sure things can jam and go wrong, but in the worst case situation with aresholes like this firing into a dense crowd where aim doesn’t really matter, faster shooting is more casualties.
Sorry maybe I’m giving away my country of origin but this part here is really hard for me to wrap my head around. I have no prior experience with this concept to relate to. Please be patient with me. 🤔
Haha. We have plenty of moron politicians. But typically all our legislation is usually written by public servants with expert advice and lawyers, and even they get it wrong sometimes. The politicians direct what they want, but most of them have never written a law. I assumed it worked this way in most places.
Got two vintage bolt-action shotguns. Both suck, but they weren’t that great to begin with. Been wanting a lever action! Seems that would be about as fast as a pump? Never touched one. LOL, never seen one IRL.
I didn’t say a bolt-action was potentially worse? I did say that a pump is mostly better than a semi. I did say a single-shot is potentially worse than all of the above.
I know that doesn’t make sense, very counter intuitive. But I have never, not once, had a single-shot fail unless the load itself failed, and I have some truly shitty single-shots. I should add the caveat that the single-shot needs to eject the spent shell, or you’re really going to be slow.
Hard to explain unless one has the experience. With a single-shot you get into a rhythm; aim, fire, break, reload, fire, aim, fire, break, reload, fire. It’s easy to spaz out with a semi and loose all your ammo. When your shots are limited, you take the extra split second to aim, make it count.
Or, consider this, if we’re talking about mass causalities; what about reloading? There are techniques like “violin reloading”, or “combat loading” singles, that go fast, but take serious and continuous practice. If we were both challenged to send 10 shots downrange, on target, bet I could do better with a single shot. First 5? Ya got me, assuming you didn’t spaz out and spray lead all around. 10? I never stopped or hesitated, and I had the extra second to consider the situation and aim.
Anyway, if you ever make it to Florida, hunt me down and we’ll go to my little camp in the swamp. Have a friendly shoot!
All good mate, I mostly just try and stop the spread of misinformation on Aus gun laws. Most people don’t know much about them.
The leaver actions are fast. The main difference is that you can leave your finger on the trigger for a pump and are meant to take it off for the leaver action, though you could do it with your non trigger hand. People are also buying left handed bolt action shotguns to get around this, though it’s more awkward. All our shotguns have a capacity limit, usually 5 or less. It looks like these guys modified their barrel mags to hold more.
You’re not wrong about wasted ammo, reliability and reload speed, but you have to think about the worst case scenarios. Situation: close range, large dense crowd, shooter with an unreasonable amount of ammunition, and best luck in the world with no jams or reliability issues. That’s the formula for mass casualties. This is what our laws are effective at protecting against, primarily by limiting the rate of fire.