OG title: We need to talk… about the Proton ecosystem

Ecosystem is a trap. It lures you in with the promise of convenience, only to lock you inside a walled garden. Like Google and Apple. They start with a good product, but then force you to use the whole suite to get the full experience. This is dangerous.

Ecosystems are concentrating all of your data and your digital life in the hands of a single entity. An entity that grows so large and powerful that it will start making compromises against your rights only to find more ways to profit or protect their business. The larger the ecosystem, the bigger data harvester it becomes. It becomes a bigger target for hackers and the more products it offers the more data it has to give to the surveillance state.

We know that the big tech does this, because their only moral value is the shareholder value. [4] But when a private company starts quacking like a duck in the steps of the big tech, it should worry us the same way. That company is Proton. The maker of the most renowned privacy products that have always been meant as ethical alternatives to the big tech.

Today, Proton resembles more and more the ecosystems of Google and Apple than it does its noble origins of fighting the big tech. This is a problem. It’s a problem for your privacy and it’s a problem for the whole community. But you probably never of heard of this perspective, because none of this is talked about enough. There is a reason for this.

You see, most content on Proton you’ll find, is coming from sources that are sponsored or affiliated with Proton. And I know how lucrative Proton’s deals are, because Proton even tried to pay me. Of course, I refused their offer, because taking their money would incentivize me not to recommend against Proton products. I am uniquely positioned to give you a nuanced critique of Proton and how to solve this problem.


Some good points to be said. I find the overall argument a bit weak as it is mainly one of user erorr of sorts. Btw THO has some pretty good back log of videos on privacy; check out their stuff on burners phones and anonymizing yourself at a protest.

  • curiousfurbytes@programming.dev
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    18 hours ago

    I totally understand the issues with having a toolset offering, but at the same time, there’s no way someone that is not as concerned to privacy, or a business that uses basic office tools, to consider Proton as an alternative to Google or Microsoft. They don’t have only an email and calendar, they have a full work tooling suite, which is very important to a lot of people. I believe we should work for more companies to develop their own apps and systems, even a full ecosystem. Otherwise, we might land on the same problem streamings are right now: there are so many of them, that it’s again easier (not only in terms of money) to download movies and tv shows. If you have 10-20 apps you need to pay or to keep updated, add new users through a management system, you will probably not choose those tools and move to one that includes everything. I personally am sticking to Proton for mail, calendar drive, and VPN, but I’m going with OnlyOffice for office tools, and considering between keeping 1Password or moving to Bitwarden, since the cost of 1Password is high - it is totally worth it, just not currently my plan to keep that expense