when the picture sharing platform is a picture sharing platform for sharing pictures
Fixed link (at least for Piefed): https://mastodon.social/@dansup/115678527443322224
it makes sense to be honest, the OP article isn’t really convincing
Well that is weird, why did the link get confuzzled…
Not sure either
this is a dumbest opinion out of all the dumb fediverse opinions i’ve read.
I go to pixelfed to post my art and view other peoples art. that’s it. I don’t go there to read posts or what’s going on in peoples lives. For that I have Akkoma/Mastodon. If I want further interaction and discussion I have Piefed/Lemmy.
this blog post just reeks of “I need my voice to be heard on all the various platforms at the same time and I don’t want to go to each individual platform to do it” well I’m sorry cupcake that’s now how things work. Why isn’t this person complaining about Piefeed posts not showing up on Mastodon or vice versa?
If I sign up to Instagram I don’t expect to see facebook posts. Most people understand this concept. People aren’t going to go to Pixelfeed and then assume they instantly have access to view Mastodon and Lemmy at the same time.
wait, Piefed posts don’t show up on Mastodon?
All posts won’t, a user from the Mastodon instance needs to follow the Piefed user for their posts to show up on the Mastodon instance
AFAIK that’s the same way all ActivtyPub servers work.
If I sign up to Instagram I don’t expect to see facebook posts. Most people understand this concept.
Actually posts on one can be available on the other. And you can see Instagram posts on Threads, too.
Similarly, I can follow Pixelfed users from Mastodon and see their posts, and they can follow me back and see my Mastodon posts with photo attachments.
Yes but being able to do that is a design goal of the fediverse
Is it?
Because that seems really dumb.Why would any specific niche service want to duplicate the features and functions of every single other niche service? The whole point is to have different experiences and uses, that might be able to (however works for them) interoperate as they see fit.
It’s a terrible idea that they should all try to eventually do all the same everything.
It might not be what you want, but it is what I want, which is why my primary social media is Friendica because IMHO it does a really good job of working well with all. They have dedicated photo albums, lemmy communities show as Friendica Forums, etc.
And that’s great! Everyone gets what they want. But suggesting Lemmy, Pixelfed, and Peertube, etc. should all try to do it the way Friendica does, is a bad idea.
agreed 100% I apologize if it sounded like I was saying something different.
It’s a terrible idea that they should all try to eventually do all the same everything.
I don’t want them all to do the same thing, but I don’t want to have to have a separate identity on each one and have to redundantly follow people on the multiple platforms.
You can’t follow people on Lemmy or Piefed, and everybody here seems fine with that
I can from a number of other Fediverse platforms. I may not be able to follow you on Lemmy like I can follow a community, but I can still find your account to see your posts and comments, and that limitation doesn’t really impact me having to have per-instance accounts versus having a fediverse-wide account. I have probably a dozen fediverse accounts across multiple platforms. I want to have my fediverse identity able to access all fediverse platforms and that other people using that platform can find me as.
which is one of the great advantages of the Fedi verse, because you can if you want to. Mbin lets you, Frienidca lets you, and Mastodon lets you. I don’t like how Mastodon handles lemmy communities or Friendica Forums by making it look as though the group user re-toots every post and comment, but others do! We can all have what we want thanks to the magic of Free Software!
Of course people can, but do they? In terms of monthly active users:
- https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats: 35.000
- https://piefed.fediverse.observer/dailystats: 1600
- https://mbin.fediverse.observer/dailystats: 736
Everybody can interpret those numbers differently, to me they show that people on the Threadiverse don’t care about the microblogging format that much.
Yes, people do. Thankfully we as a community aren’t bound to corporate shareholders, so it doesn’t matter how many people choose to use it, we don’t have a need to increase users. While we don’t have a fiduciary duty to be kind for similar reasons, I think it is generally a good idea to do so. In my experience when I have used words/phrase like “everybody” “nobody” or “people don’t” some have told me they found it off-putting or belittling when they are in the minority so I try to avoid it but I still find it hard sometimes as that is not the way I was taught to speak in government indoctrination camp so there is a lot of de-schooling I need to do.
Why would you follow the same accounts on multiple platforms?
Or do you mean one person who has accounts on multiple platforms?If I have a mutual who is on multiple platforms, and I also have accounts on those same multiple platforms, we would generally be following each other mutually on those same platforms.
I go to pixelfed to post my art and view other peoples art. that’s it. I don’t go there to read posts or what’s going on in peoples lives.
Yes but being able to do that is a design goal of the fediverse
Is it? Beause that seems really dumb.
Here’s a radical idea: sometimes, web services are built with features you don’t use. Sometimes you don’t even *value *those features. But, in cases where your preference isn’t in the majority, the decision to include those features won’t match your personal preference.
Sometimes, the ability to share and see content between different sites is even a core value.
Weird.
For more information, search “false consensus”.
You may want to learn how you can configure your own accounts on various services to manage what you see on each one. Because, to some extent, that’s a configuration option.
But your saying Peertube should have all the forum functionality of Lemmy, and the endless short video scroll of Loops.
rgluilis suggested a generic server idea, where the media and experience differentiating is done at the client app level. That could work well. But that’s an entirely different concept and structure.
The problem is threatening the whole Fediverse
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This is a grave abuse of the protocol: messages are silently dropped. It stands against everything the Fediverse is trying to do: allow users to communicate. My experience with open protocols allows me to say that it is a critical problem and that it cannot be tolerated. Would you settle for a mail provider which silently drop all emails you receive if they contain the letter “P”?Oh, the drama. I think this is a wrong take. The point of ActivityPub is not that we all see everything. Is so the servers can exchange activities. But whether it makes sense to put it in our inboxes or not, depends on what particular application is supposed to do. If using AP would require the application to show everything, what would be the differences between the apps?
I use Threadiverse because I prefer a bit more structured content than what’s happening on Mastodon. While I would love to be able to follow the few accounts and tags on Mastodon that interest me, the fact that I don’t see all that traffic is not an abuse of the protocol
Also, correct me if I’m wrong, since
Pixelfed is designed to mimic Instagram
Then what Pixelfed does is also correct, Instagram also does not show the whole wall from Facebook. Only the pictures, right?
I don’t think every Fediverse platform needs to support every type of post, and I especially don’t think it’s an impending catastrophe if they don’t. In fact I think it’s better to specialize. Even though Mbin supports microblogging, I prefer using this account solely for threads and a separate Pleroma account for microblogging.
I sure do like this picture:
You sly dog you made me open my network tab to see if there actually was an image there! (there is, it was just being blocked because of my uBO setting for fetching remotes).
So many Fediverse mascots I don’t recognize! Glad to see there are so many more clients than I knew of
I read the post and understood the problem. Then I read Dan’s reply. And he’s fixing it. In fact, he’s fixing it in the exact way the blog post says it should be fixed, “… but those filters should be manually triggered and always removable.”
Here’s Dan’s reply:
“… I hear the community: you want text-only posts. We are going to build this as an opt-in feature. If you want microblogging, turn it on. If you prefer the classic media-only experience, nothing changes.”
Why was this blog post even written then? Now it’s seeming to be personal.
Seems like the article was written first maybe?
We are going to build this as an opt-in feature
I think that the the problem is that it’s opt-in, when it should be the default.
the fediverse is just a collection of content across multiple sites; activitypub items can be one of many types. how is limiting the display of fediverse content on an app to just image types “being against the fediverse”?
why would i want to see text posts when i join a photo sharing app?
I remember reading that Loops (? - may be wrong about which one) does the same thing, only displaying statuses with videos in them. I have not, so far, seen anyone claim that that is a bad thing, and frankly don’t agree that it is. If we can’t do that, then we can never have specialized platforms built on ActivityPub, e.g. platforms only for videos or for photos, etc., and that would severely limit what we can do with it.
Imagine a new client, TextFed, that will never display posts with pictures.
Sign me up!
That sounds great. It’s like people on the internet don’t know how to start a conversation anymore. Can’t just say “man I’m struggling with my ADHD lately,” they gotta post every decade-old meme from their
personalitymeme folder so people can reply with “haha same”A new social media site doesn’t mean new content, it’s just a new bucket to fill up with the same shit from every other platform.
(I feel obligated to point out that PugJesus is generally an exception for my meme hatred because he includes descriptions/context for the history memes he posts and I actually get something out of it. Shout out to PJ)
You jest, but I’m pretty sure someone out there made a cli interface for AP.
I am very much not jesting.
so, an old style BBS?
I’d be all in.
I’ve been on Pixelfed for a long while and never did I ever think “If I follow someone, I want to see their text-only posts.” Why? Because it’s an image sharing platform. It’s specifically designed to show images and that’s fine with me.
I feel like this article is trying to stir up some controversy where there isn’t any.
I can understand the reservation against an AP-Platform not making clear that they display only a subset of messages, but not against the practice by itself. After all, it’s a platform specifically for showing images. A notification when following a non-pixelfed account that only image posts will be shown would do the trick too, but implementing the option to view text posts gives the user more agency, which is normally the best path as long as it doesn’t mess with usability.
Expecting an photo centric app to display text only post is really ridculous. What’s thr point of making pixelfed just another mastodon type app. With the same logic , why not complaining about mastodon only allowing micro blogging short text?
Well, Mastodon will show everything in the feed, no matter if it’s a video, a short blog, a long blog, a picture, a podcast, whatever. Mastodon is (primarily) microblogging in terms of output, but an everything platform with a chronological feed in terms of input.
This is where this user seems to get confused - they expect everything on the fediverse to display every type of content, just like Mastodon strives to do. Which is, as you said, ridiculous. If PixelFed was to display audio content and Funkwhale was to display pictures, what would be the point of these services in the first place? If they want everything to be Mastodon, why don’t they just stick to Mastodon? Maybe Pixelfed users have no interest in reading their dumb blog posts?
Well, Mastodon will show everything in the feed, no matter if it’s a video, a short blog, a** long blog**, a picture, a podcast, whatever.
Doesn’t the long blog simply got truncated to 500 characters and link you to the original content? Which is very not user friendly
Not necessarily, no - it depends on how it is federated, and I believe the settings of the Mastodon instance. For example @blog@shkspr.mobi federates blog posts in full length, while @feed@404media.co based on Ghost only gives a lead paragraph.
So it is all over the place it’s so chaotic and confusing for people
Terence Eden just wants as many people as possible to read what he writes with as much ease as possible, so he federates the full content. 404 Media wants people to visit their site, and some of the content is behind a paywall, so they keep the content on site. Different needs. Not very complicated.
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What’s thr point of making pixelfed just another mastodon type app.
The problem is the Fediverse could be a lot more than just “decentralized versions of existing apps”. Most people now have this app-centric mentality because it was beneficial for Big Tech sharecropping, not because it was better for us.
We shouldn’t need different types of apps to see different types of feeds and to sort our data in ways that we want.
We don’t need all fediverse platforms to be a Mastodon clone, we can instead have certain fediverse clients that have a global feed for displaying from all the fediverse and specific feeds for each type of content (videos, texts, images).
We don’t need all fediverse platforms to be a Mastodon clone
We don’t need platforms.
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Pixelfed is definitely a platform . You only heard the term in context of centralized big social media so you think the term has bad connotation
You only heard the term in context of centralized big social media so you think the term has bad connotation
Please, don’t assume things about the people on the other side of a debate. It’s condescending and it robs us all of learning.
I’m not saying that we don’t need platforms because of “bad connotation”. I’m saying it because I have worked on a “social browser” for the fediverse, an application server for using activitypub as a transport mechanism and I know that we can develop an open social web that does not rely on server-centric applications.
I think you might be conflating two things. Right now the Fediverse largely looks like you just described. It’s in it’s infancy, trying to copy what it sees around it. Eventually it’ll become a rebellious teen and forge it’s on seperate identity. That’s inevitable. I wouldn’t worry about it.
It’s a very different thing though, saying all the apps need to integrate all the features and experience of every other app, so they’re all largely the same and there’s never a need to use more than one. That sounds like a terrible idea.
No, far from me saying that the clients (apps?) need to look the same. What I am saying is that the differentiation should be happening at the client, not the server.
It’s the thing with Communick. I wish I didn’t have to offer separate instances for each of the services (Mastodon, Lemmy, Funkwhale) but that every member could get one account which then could use as their main fediverse actor, regardless of “frontend” suited them best. The shell should adapt to the user, instead of the user being forced to adapt to the application.
So like a single ActivityPub instance that hosts all the data, but users can have a Pixelfed app, Lemmy app, etc. all connect to that one server and use it to give the experience they specifically provide.
That’s a cool idea. I can see how that would work.
Yeah, the frustrating thing is that https://activitypods.org/ already does the hard part, but we need more developers interested in creating these clients that can work well with it.
Would you settle for a mail provider which silently drop all emails you receive if they contain the letter “P”?
Yes, if the mail provider is advertising the fact that they are dropping everything containing “P” AND if I’m currently not in the mood to read anything containing “P” AND if there are enough good alternative mail providers that do show me things containing “P”.
What a weird take.
And if it didn’t tell you and you had to find out via an article?
Then you probably should have double checked before signing up to an e-mail server dedicated to “Explore + Share beautiful e-mails without the letter P in them”. Pixelfed is extremely open about being a picture platform.
Then this would be pretty shitty.
However, pixelfed is very straightforward about the fact that the focus is on image posts and even if they would not advertise that fact you should realize in less than five minutes of using it that all the posts you see are image posts.
Additionally there are enough apps out there that show all content (I use the default mastodon app to see image posts as well as text posts, etc.). If this is what you want just choose that app.
And if somebody makes an app that only shows text posts then this would be great for people who only want to see text posts. I really don’t get the authors problem.
The writing in this article is absolutely terrible. It needs some serious clean-up before the message isn’t impaired by the medium.
I feel it is english as 2nd language or a poor translation. It still gets the point across.
