• Elkcloner@lemmy.ml
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    2 hours ago

    Good. Hopefully some of these ‘painful concessions’ are Demilitarization and Denazification.

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    6 hours ago

    Why can’t Russia make any painful concessions instead? They are in the wrong.

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      Ignoring how you can consider being against nazis to be “in the wrong”, Russia doesn’t have to make painful concessions because they are not losing the war. That’s how war works.

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    Oh boy, strap in. Can’t wait to hear how many keyboard commandos think Ukrainians should get shoved into the meat grinder for another year.

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      Well if we’re not going to bother helping them win, then yeah, I guess they should surrender for now until Russia’s recovered enough that they can finish the job.

      Fuck Ukraine, not our problem, there’s nothing we can do anyway and none of this is ever going to affect any of us. /s

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        Well if we’re not going to bother helping them win

        We’ve been happy to lard them up with debt and sell them overpriced military surplus. Idk if that counts as “helping them win” but we’ve made a handsome profit off it.

        Fuck Ukraine, not our problem

        Hey now. Don’t look at Ukraine as a problem. Look at Ukraine as a big play for recently vacated real estate. Jared Kushner is going to make so much fucking money leasing Ukraine’s land back to its residents.

        Now Ukrainians? They’re going to get fucked.

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          Fair point, but really, I don’t know why they can’t single-handedly win a war against a country 10x their size using only our obsolete overpriced leftovers, with strings attached telling how they’re allowed and not allowed to use them. Are they even trying? /s

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            22 hours ago

            I don’t know why they can’t single-handedly win a war against a country 10x their size using only our obsolete overpriced leftovers

            I mean, ask Afghanistan, Vietnam, or Korea.

            But also ask why these wars popped off to begin with and why they dragged on long after any foreign country had a material interest in continuing the fight.

            Also maybe look into the UON and question why the Canadian Parliament was applauding an elderly SS Officer who described WW2 as the best years of his life.

            Tons of profit in war mongering.

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      It’s their decision of course. I hate to see them lose, and I hate that my country isn’t doing more. We made a damn promise, and when it came time to make good, we half-assed it. Not enough oil I guess. But I also don’t want to see Russia bully their way to more territory either, as that just shows the world that they are still a threat, and leads to another round of russian fear for the world.

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        9 hours ago

        the vast majority of the world fears the US and Europe more than Russia. In fact, Russia is quite liked by most of the world believe it or not 🤷

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        11 hours ago

        The world doesn’t fear Russia, though, the world fears the west. It’s the west that fears Russia, and is harvesting Ukraine for resources and racking them up with debt for hand-me-down surplus to support the far-right Banderites in Kiev ethnic cleansing the Donbass region. The Ukrainian people increasingly want peace over war, not to fight to the last Ukrainian, it’s the Banderites that want to sacrifice Ukrainain people while they hide from the frontlines.

    • Don’t get your hopes up yet. The EU is interested in prolonging this war as long as possible. Else betting on war economy is even worse than it already is. Germany simply likes to pretend that they love peace (we aren’t Nazis anymore pls we promise OK?). In the meanwhile we will supply weapons like the killing machines we always wanted to be. And when the world is ready for our peace…

      …pls let someone else be the pos this time