“Slower” implies you’re projecting the same end results. Do they think the missing numbers are just not using a computer at all? In the digital age? By far your largest numbers of actual Win11 migrators are companies whose tech policy is the CYA “update everything in case we get hacked”.
The common folk are not going to buy a new computer just to get a slower Windows installation. The people who migrate from Windows 10/7 holdouts are going to be migrating to Linux.
Literally me biding my time on W10 for Autodesk to pull their head out their ass and make AutoCAD for Linux.
I really don’t see what more Windows has to offer than Linux other some shitty software that cannot be run on Linux (Looks at newer Office and Adobe). In that case I can just boot up a VM with black-flag Windows Pro on it.
Successfully booted up Linux mint today, stayed on windows for uni (thinking I might need one of those Microsoft apps). Missed Linux and now back :)
LMAO says the guy typing from a Windows 7 Desktop purchased in 2012. This PC still works amazingly well for a 13 year old Alienware. Anyone who has ever owned one will tell you this a unicorn. I will never click the update icon sitting in the tray for years now. Get fucked. This OS still rocks. If I want to play a current game I open up my laptop and close it when done.
Couldn’t imagine why lmao
This article is trash, it mentions existing windows 10 features in windows 11 like it’s a groundbreaking new technology.
Virtual desktops and clipboard manager? Cmon man we’ve been having that for years now
having that for years now
since abaout the late 90’s to early 00’s. KDE 1 released with virtual desktops, and from what I can tell, Klipper either released with it, or a few years later
fvwm, 1993. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FVWM
Blows my mind seeing people look on windows 10 as some kind of last bastion, apparently not realizing that was Windows 7 at best.
10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair, made everything slow and added insane amounts of spying. If you willingly switched to 10 then don’t pretend like 11 is a bridge too far now.
I’d actually say it was 8.1, but the problem with 8.1 is that it died before people could discover how good it is combined with classical start menu. It was basically a fleshed out, faster, more stable Windows 7 with updated tech like newer directx and cached boot (aka. Fastboot). Almost non-existing market share, but I liked it far better than 7, 10 and 11 (only gave it 1 week). I installed a tweaked 8.1 version on all my friends/family’s PCs and never heard a single complaint, shit was awesome.
I still can’t grasp that Microsoft, a $3.6 trillion company, developed a new settings interface but failed to migrate all settings to it, forcing users to use both. Even I know that’s day one UX shite and I’m quite stupid.
What’s hilarious is that this started with Win10 so its been an issue for over a decade now and two major revisions at least (possibly started on Win8).
It did start on win8
In their defense, we all try hard to forget that iteration.
I didn’t willingly switch to 10, though, that was my only choice
It took me ages today to work out how to map a drive letter because they’ve changed where the menu button is. You used to be able to do it from the taskbar at the top, but now it’s hidden in a right click menu in a different part of the file browser to where it used to be. I don’t understand the point of changes like that, by all means add more options but keep the old ones around for consistency.
Managing printers in 11 is the worst. The sad part is that the old-style devices and printers menu is still in the OS, you just have to dig for it a bit, and it works 1000x better.
the old-style devices and printers menu is still in the OS, you just have to dig for it a bit, and it works 1000x better.
For the last 13 years this has been the most infuriating part of the incomplete control panel migration. I find myself struggling to use the new settings, and having to then resort to digging for the old ones that actually have the option I need.
Win 11 finally pushed me over the edge with ads and spying. But I still have to deal with Windows at work.
10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair
Was it? I gave up on 8 because of the UI, downgraded back to 7 and that was my last Windows machine. Was 10 worse?
8 was such a disaster that people don’t really consider it a real version of windows. 10 was actually better than 8 but that’s not saying much
People said they will never upgrade from 7 to 10, and now they are saying they will never upgrade from 10 to 11
and now they are saying they will never upgrade from 10 to 11
The stats show people are committing this time. English speakers are jumping ship at historically unprecedented rates. Steam stats
^ This, I had to be dragged kicking and screaming from 7 to 10, and now looking forward to another 3 years of Win10 security updates, while fervently praying that Adobe and my online games add Linux support during that time >_>
Will it make you even more frustrated to learn Steam has a Linux-native build of Substance Painter, but Adobe still won’t support it themselves?
Just ditch those games.not worth it
Ah yes the classic purist arguement.
If the applications I want to use don’t support Linux then apparently that’s their problem. I wish I didn’t have to live in the real world, but unfortunately I can’t pay my mortgage in moral righteousness. If I can’t use the programs I need to use my job, because I’ve decided to switch to an operating system that they don’t support, I’m the one that’s going to suffer.
So no you can’t just ditch applications that don’t have Linux support.
In the real world you have to dual boot and that’s a pain in the arse because it means Microsoft are still going to be getting some money from me.
The fuck sort of dipshit argument is this for video games…?
He was saying ditch video games man… VIDEO GAMES.
I can’t switch to purely Linux because I need windows in order to be able to do my job. The fact I also play games on the computer is irrelevant.
I don’t understand what you’re not understanding.
It’s a catch 22. If you need applications to make money sure. But games. Come on.
I get a PC from my job, it has windows and that’s their choice.
Maybe not worth it for you, but I’m enjoying them too much to ditch them 🤷
I was on Windows 7 until April of 2021, when I was taking a certification exam remotely, and didn’t find out that the software they used for it didn’t work on 7 until after I had paid the registration fee. Windows 10 was useable enough, but I never thought it was preferable over 7. Anyway, I’m on Bazzite now.
Considering all of the comments saying that a big part of this is people not wanting to buy new computers and choosing linux because it will run on their old machine, I’d like to add insult to injury and say I built a new PC before Oct and windows was never even a consideration.
And despite it being my first Linux install I planned to play games on, everything went smoothly and I’d even say the “setting up the PC to my preference instead of the defaults” step was better because there wasn’t a “figure out how to disable the shit ms really wants you to run for them” substep, or a “figure out what new shit ms added that I’ll want to disable” discovery mode that, with win 10, lasted most of the time I was using it and included “figure out if a recent update reset settings to annoying defaults”.
I bet this is why people are so vocal about switching to linux whenever there’s another complaint about ms. It went way better than expected, like I was about to do something that would cause ongoing pain and frustration to get away from something even worse, but there’s been nothing at all that has made me miss windows.
Yeah. I built my PC two years back and Linux was the main idea for it. I’d used Linux on and off since 2007, and it’s honestly been fine this entire time, with WINE and such only improving over time. I remember how baffled I was back in 2007 when I didn’t have to install any drivers myself, everything just worked out of the box, even fucking printers.
This is the time of Windows Vista, where nothing worked.
Yeah, I’ve got a logitech mouse but didn’t want logitech’s software on my machine, so I just used the mouse by plugging it in. Which worked, but I had no way of knowing the battery level until the mouse itself started blinking low power.
When I installed fedora, I was confused a bit because it had a system tray icon saying the battery was charging. I was thinking it thought it was a laptop until I realize it had just picked up the battery information from my mouse. A feature I had written off under windows just worked without me even considering it or needing to install software that was partly about using my hardware and partially about advertising more ways to get my money.
For a Logitech mouse on Linux I use Solaar. Pretty much why I go with Logitech mice now. Solaar works well for me
It’s almost like “you have to buy a new laptop to install it and help train our AI on your private documents” is somehow not convincing enough. Maybe if they also removed local accounts and forced you to have an online MS account? Nah scratch that, it would be stupid
micro$oft is getting desperate though
https://kotaku.com/windows-11-pro-upgrades-going-for-pocket-change-for-black-friday-2000647371
Is that site just an ads disguised as articles site now? Like it’s not just news about the sale, it’s actively trying to sell win 11 (and not doing a great job with its list of “I thought it already did that”, “underwhelming feature”, “no, I still don’t fucking want onedrive; I no longer trust you with my own files on my computer, let alone saving everything on yours”.)
I couldn’t be happier, ditching Windows for Linux.
It was possible to skip Vista and go straight from XP to 7. You could even use the same PC.
It was possible to skip 8 and go straight from 7 to 10. You could even use the same PC.
This time around, Microsoft is forcing Windows 11 as the only option, forcing people to throw away their machines, and it is backfiring on them. People are rejecting it and the competition (Linux) has never been as good as it is today.
The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don’t meet Windows 11’s system requirements
So much unnecessary e-waste. I never want to hear about how ‘green’ or ‘sustainable’ Microsoft is again.
Apparently some are even opting to reinstall Windows 7 rather than the trash fire that is 11. It seems like 10 was never loved, merely tolerated, and as MS continues to enshittify 10 in an attempt to force people onto 11 some are just going back to the previous good version of Windows.
Those people are stupid. Run a version of windows that won’t make you part of a botnet and make you my problem or don’t run it at all.
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If they are taking the time to install windows 7. I’m sure they are at least smart enough to not run random stuff on thier windows machine.
I don’t care what they’re running. Don’t connect an unsupported OS to the Internet or you’re eventually going to become my problem.
That’s not how it works, especially since everyone doing this is behind a modern router.
Nothing will happen if you have a Windows 98 computer connected to the internet when the home internet router is on default settings. And modern internet browsers implement security in themselves on systems they still support.
Firefox still supports Windows 7 via the ESR channel, and every new install gets redirected to on automatically on Windows 7, 8 and 8.1.
Worry the unsupported systems behind pure internet or providing public internet services, or the users installing the free PDF editor Google advertised as first in search. Those are many more than older Windows enthusiasts.
especially since everyone doing this is behind a modern router.
Are they? If they’re irresponsible enough to run an ancient OS it wouldn’t shock me if they’re also running “retro” network equipment
They are not, come on now.
Retro networking is a different community, and all is still done behind a modern router. They are a subset of the retro computing community, but they don’t run such systems as their daily driver.
Most of the legacy OS enthusiasts running on as their daily driver are not interested in matching their networking to be period correct, they just want it to work well and quickly like everybody else. For that you need basic modern equipment, that is often included into ISP plans.
They should just run Linux, but if they have to do Windows then 7 is just as good as 10 now, they’re both equally unsupported. Blame Microsoft for fucking up 10 and 11 so bad nobody is willing to run them. If they had at least left 10 alone people would still be using that but they’re too greedy for everyone’s data and they couldn’t leave well enough alone. It’s also not like there aren’t an absolute ton of Windows 10 and 11 installs that are part of bot nets. Running a new version of Windows makes it slightly harder to get rooted, but doing stupid stuff no matter what you’re running is ultimately the problem, not the version of Windows. The age of worms self propagating through service 0-days is largely over, it’s almost all phishing and trojans these days. It would be on things if we were talking Windows 98 or XP, but 7 is fairly solid out of the box.
I reinstalled Windows 7 on my laptop and dual-boot Linux and Windows 11 on my desktop.
I love it, but is anyone supporting the bug fixes for security?
Windows 10 was when the stupid accounts became a thing on Windows and candy crush being installed after a fresh install so makes sense people never really loved 10. And they managed to make 11 even worse than it was at launch with the copilot crap.
Anyone who asks me about this is getting the “At least try Linux for free first before buying a new computer.
Another example I have is that my mother-in-law is retired. You think she needs a new computer? Nope! She’s getting Linux before a new computer. The only other option for her would be an iPad since she’s just browsing the web anyway.
The only other option for her would be an iPad since she’s just browsing the web anyway.
Give her a Steam Deck and some cozy games. 😁
You could install windows 10 on something designed for windows XP, provided it has enough RAM
The reason w11 needs a new PC is pure marketing, it doesn’t actually need some specific feature that is present on 8th gen Intel CPUs but not on 7th gen Intel CPUs
They need it to run ai and bloat whithout it grinding to a halt.
Very good point. Especially with how broken pricing has been on home computers for years, throwing away your machine for something impossibly expensive is a tough sell to say the least. Especially in this economy. It‘s more feasible to switch to Linux.
they are forcing it earlier to stave off thier AI bubble bursting
Because 8 was garbage and people got rid of it as soon as possible. 10 was actually good, and 11 was barely a change functionally until they started messing with the ads push, and now they’re shoving LLM bullshit in to justify their exorbitant expenditures on the half functional tech.
Yep. I Kept 7 for as long as possible but had to upgrade so 10 was next. I wouldn’t move to 11 if support continued for 10.
You probably know this, but for others who might not: MS is now allowing some/many/all (???) people to extend the security updates for Win10 for another year free of charge. You have to go into the Windows update area and click a button to accept. At least in the USA, this seems to be a somewhat newly available option, as it was there the last time someone asked me to look at their laptop to see if I could upgrade it to Win11.
I had already upgraded when I saw this. But it’s only another year, if it was 2-3 years I’d actually take the hit and roll back. I’d actually pay for it! Although next year I might move totally over to Linux. Will see.
. I wouldn’t move to 11 if support continued for 10.
Which is exactly the reason they’re ending support.
If you don’t have a reason to stay, Linux is definitely worth a shot. I moved from 10 to Bazzite in my rig earlier in the year, and it’s been pretty solid.
I have bazzite Linux as dual boot. Few usecases stop me from moving fully over. Nvidia drivers and VR support. And Remote Desktop doesn’t work the way I want it to.
Also for some reason my ryzen system stopped seeing my linux sata drive in bios so can’t boot anymore.
Interesting. I ditched team green years ago and have been running rock solid since. My Nvidia GPU was always the reason I went back to windows. Sorry to hear your ryzen rig stopped, have you looked for a bios update? Might be something simple like that (assuming your disk didn’t shit the bed).
Can’t say I’ve had any rdp issues on Bazzite, what’s it doing?
I can see the disk in windows. It just doesn’t show up in the bios. I’ve been recommended to do a fully CMOS reset by pulling out battery but don’t really have time. It disappeared after a BIOS update :)
As for RDP. I regularly RDP to my windows machine and it auto changes resolution. And then I can log in on the PC itself and it returns to the monitor resolution. So I keep the same session but view it from multiple places.
I can’t get the same on Linux. Either I get my current session which doesn’t resize (stuck at connected monitor resolution). Or it creates a new resizable session which I don’t want because I want to continue what I was doing.
I’ve been recommended to do a fully CMOS reset by pulling out battery but don’t really have time. It disappeared after a BIOS update :)
Did you load the default BIOS settings after that? If not, that might be easier than removing the battery.
And if you did, the default settings could have enabled the CSM, or changed other settings like fast boot that might make the drive not show up.
Tried every reset option. I set to RAID mode and I saw hard disk in bios but boot failed at bazzite load screen.
That is definitely odd behavior. Multiple sessions is a server side setting, so your Linux system shouldn’t be able to do that without windows being ok with it. As for the resolution issue, it might be a config issue in your client. Give another client a shot, or see if there’s a way to configure the client to use smart sizing. I can’t recall which app I use on my system, but I can’t say I’ve ever had an issue with scaling between connected and remote connected sessions.
Have you checked your BIOS if CSM is enabled (gets disabled when enabling secure boot iirc)? If your Linux drive has an old partitioning scheme it needs that to show up during boot I think.
I’ll try it. But I don’t see the drive detected in the BIOS so thought it might be more than that.
Also bazzite should have secure boot.
I’ll let you know!
Obviously. There is no particular reason to switch from old 7th or older gen intel CPUs since with 16GB (or even with 8) of RAM one can browse internet and use OFFICE 365 with no issues. And what most of people do with their computers at work?
Unless PC is used to render 3D/Video/DAW Audio/heavy VMs - there is no fucking need to buy new PC just to upgrade to win11. MS shot themselves in a foot with this one.
10 had at least SOME good in it, at first i didnt want to move on from 7 but when i finally did it was okay. Everything i have heard about 11 is awful, and i wasnt very pleased with it myself either when i tried it at work, though i was able to mostly ignore it since it was just my work pc.
And now after switching to mint, idea of using 11 is preposterous.
Had to “upgrade” my work laptop to 11 for security support. Nothing about it is better. Almost everything is slower, and many common operations take more steps to complete on 11 vs 10.
Absolute fuckin’ garbage.
I learned to tolerate 10 for my limited uses. Like you, my Windows PC jumped from 7 to 10. When 11 rolled around, the centered start menu was the first thing I noticed and it was an instant wtf moment.
Microsoft needs to be sued to allow for a Linux desktop Excel. Once that happens they would lose like half their market share to Linux.
LibreOffice is good. While people don’t like learning new things, I found it does everything I could want.
I actually switched years ago because I didn’t want to pay for MS Office.
Sure its fine at home. But try getting an entire office to learn new spreadsheet software. They can barely handle when a new version of Excel is released.
i just dont understand hiring requirements. They make posts that require you to be able to do anything and everything, expect everyone still to apply and hire people that barely are able to do the job and can’t handle learning anything new, likely not even due to some inherent weakness in the head but just attitude. And I bet every one of them praises their skills on learning new stuff on the interview. And then they show the door to anyone who dares not to be really good at lying through their teeth at the interview.
I know what you’re talking about. As someone who had to hire a lot of people it was infuriating that we only got the candidates HR approved.
I so wish that we could hire 5 people for 2 weeks and then retain 1 or 2 of them. You don’t learn anything about candidates until you give them your first assignment. I would have jumped at that as an applicant, but maybe just because I was unemployed for a while during the 08 super recession.
Same here. There is a learning curve because, while it does all the same things, sometimes it happens in a slightly different way and the UX is different.
