That link is empty for me. But is this also the same commission that found no evidence of genocide in Gaza for 2 years?
There is genocide in Ukraine.
Russia had kidnapped thousands of children in the first year of war - removing them from their families and forcing them in to Russian schools and the older children are being trained in the military to fight.
Russia in the first days of the way when they captured many towns and cities, the troops took down signage and symbols of Ukraine. They target hospitals and schools and playgrounds with no regard. They fire their missiles and drones indiscriminately.
Edit/
Also that Russia does not believe Ukraine exists and tries to deny the national identity of Ukraine - that’s an act of genocide
This is widely reported.
I don’t understand why you can hand wave the violence of Russia and justify their invasion.
Russia have done a lot of what Israel has done if not more.
I want the war to end and an end to the Palestine conflict. The only way is with the removal of the heads of states to be tried for war crimes, and the full removal of all forces.
But that is a fantasy world apparently. Your friends in Russia can save face, money and man power by just getting the fuck out.
No, this is fantasy. I’m not hand waiving anything, you’re parroting unsubstantiated claims. Stories like kidnapping children are especially unsubstantiated.
The war will end when Ukraine concedes. No matter how much materiel NATO donates, it cannot win, and the war is increasingly unpopular.
Reports from Ukrainian intelligence, sure, not actual verified proof of erasing Ukrainian identity nor of kidnapping. Do you just trust Israel whenever it claims Hamas is torturing babies? Did you believe the story about Saddam’s forces removing babies from incubators? You need verified proof before belief.
In May 1990 speech Secretary General Manfred Wörner said “The very fact that we are ready not to deploy NATO troops beyond the territory of the Federal Republic gives the Soviet Union firm security guarantees.”
This shows 2 things:
As we already knew NATO had told the Soviet Union although that it would not move further East than East Germany
They understood full well that NATO moving East was seen as threatening by USSR given the promise not to do so was a “security guarantee” for them.
You already dumped a load of “sources” previously.
I don’t think anyone is going to win by just showing information from either side of a position. I believe all your stuff is right wing propaganda. You believe all my stuff is right wing propaganda.
As the war enters its 4th year all we can hope is that there is a steady resolution to the conflict. That Ukraine remains sovereign. That Russia stops killing civilians.
Wether Ukraine cedes land to Russia for some reason is up to the Ukrainian people.
Ukraine will cede the 4 oblasts and will likely be neutral to NATO at the end of the war, crippled and battered, vs the same results without the devastation of years of conflict had they surrendered months in when they had the chance. Ukraine has taken far less civilian casualties than they’ve claimed, and has dealt far more than they’ve claimed. Russia isn’t some evil empire of villians, it’s a country at war. It isn’t Israel.
I do agree that pasting tons of sources isn’t going to do anything, that was the reason I posted so many (though you can feel free to check them, as I’ve already done for your sources). I do think it’s funny that my sources are largely things like bbc and OHCR, just presenting a narrative that concedes basic material reality.
Fair. It just feels like you are leaping to their defence.
Putin has stated numerous times though that he considers Ukraine to be Russian and downplays their national identity. And go back enough in history and you do see a pattern.
No, I’m not parroting fantastical claims, nor am I paid to have a sober analysis of the Russo-Ukrainian War. You cannot say the same for me. Ukraine should concede (as they should have done when they had the chance a few months into the war) because they can’t win, and all they are doing is getting more of themselves killed. That’s why the war is increasingly unpopular, and Kiev relies on forced conscription.
I’m repeating analysis even agreed upon by western sources, you’re repeating far-right propaganda and talking points. The difference between the settler-colonial genocide of Palestine and the Russo-Ukrainian War is that Israel intends to exterminate all of Palestine, and must to complete their settler-colonial project, while Russia only wants the 4 oblasts, which are already pro-Russian (that’s why Kiev has been bombing them for a decade). If Palestine surrenders, they die, if Ukraine surrenders then the war ends and the Donbass region joins Russia like they want to.
That link is empty for me. But is this also the same commission that found no evidence of genocide in Gaza for 2 years?
There is genocide in Ukraine.
Russia had kidnapped thousands of children in the first year of war - removing them from their families and forcing them in to Russian schools and the older children are being trained in the military to fight.
Russia in the first days of the way when they captured many towns and cities, the troops took down signage and symbols of Ukraine. They target hospitals and schools and playgrounds with no regard. They fire their missiles and drones indiscriminately.
Edit/ Also that Russia does not believe Ukraine exists and tries to deny the national identity of Ukraine - that’s an act of genocide This is widely reported.
I don’t understand why you can hand wave the violence of Russia and justify their invasion.
Russia have done a lot of what Israel has done if not more.
I want the war to end and an end to the Palestine conflict. The only way is with the removal of the heads of states to be tried for war crimes, and the full removal of all forces.
But that is a fantasy world apparently. Your friends in Russia can save face, money and man power by just getting the fuck out.
No, this is fantasy. I’m not hand waiving anything, you’re parroting unsubstantiated claims. Stories like kidnapping children are especially unsubstantiated.
The war will end when Ukraine concedes. No matter how much materiel NATO donates, it cannot win, and the war is increasingly unpopular.
https://nypost.com/2025/11/01/world-news/ukrainian-intelligence-identified-locations-of-339-abducted-children-and-compiling-list-of-russians-responsible-tried-to-erase-their-identities/
I bet you will claim this is lies.
Reports from Ukrainian intelligence, sure, not actual verified proof of erasing Ukrainian identity nor of kidnapping. Do you just trust Israel whenever it claims Hamas is torturing babies? Did you believe the story about Saddam’s forces removing babies from incubators? You need verified proof before belief.
Hers a simple google search for you. Many sources.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ukraine+children+kidnapped&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb#ip=1
the Wikipedia link, yourself having linked Wikipedia earlier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war
With the United Nations stating this is a war crime
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64985009
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/coiukraine/A_HRC_52_62_AUV_EN.pdf
Tangential to this, I quite enjoy this young man’s recount of the conflict https://youtu.be/jlTnKYTxWOY
But I bet this is all “right wing propaganda” somehow.
I mean, sites like the BBC are right wing propaganda outlets. If you like, I can also copy and paste a bunch of sources:
NATO expansion
not one inch east declassified https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/16116-document-05-memorandum-conversation-between
Documents reveal Clinton forced Yeltsin into signing NATO-Russia pact https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/documents-reveal-clinton-forced-yeltsin-into-signing-nato-russia-pact/
In May 1990 speech Secretary General Manfred Wörner said “The very fact that we are ready not to deploy NATO troops beyond the territory of the Federal Republic gives the Soviet Union firm security guarantees.”
This shows 2 things:
https://www.nato.int/docu/speech/1990/s900517a_e.htm
fascism
maidan coup
war crimes
negotiations
misc sources
That doesn’t actually form an argument, though.
You already dumped a load of “sources” previously.
I don’t think anyone is going to win by just showing information from either side of a position. I believe all your stuff is right wing propaganda. You believe all my stuff is right wing propaganda.
As the war enters its 4th year all we can hope is that there is a steady resolution to the conflict. That Ukraine remains sovereign. That Russia stops killing civilians.
Wether Ukraine cedes land to Russia for some reason is up to the Ukrainian people.
Ukraine will cede the 4 oblasts and will likely be neutral to NATO at the end of the war, crippled and battered, vs the same results without the devastation of years of conflict had they surrendered months in when they had the chance. Ukraine has taken far less civilian casualties than they’ve claimed, and has dealt far more than they’ve claimed. Russia isn’t some evil empire of villians, it’s a country at war. It isn’t Israel.
I do agree that pasting tons of sources isn’t going to do anything, that was the reason I posted so many (though you can feel free to check them, as I’ve already done for your sources). I do think it’s funny that my sources are largely things like bbc and OHCR, just presenting a narrative that concedes basic material reality.
You clearly distrust Ukrainian sources and trust Russian sources though.
I don’t get how you can just go “no Ukraine don’t suffer civilian casualties” when Russia indiscriminately fire missiles and drones at cities.
Russia at the moment is acting very much like an evil empire.
You trust everything Russia says though.
No, I don’t. I trust some things that can be factually verified, but I take nothing either side says at face value.
And yet, your opinion is Russia are valiant saviours coming to free Russian speaking Ukrainians, and not the systematic destruction of Ukraine.
I’ve never once said either of those, because both are wrong.
Fair. It just feels like you are leaping to their defence.
Putin has stated numerous times though that he considers Ukraine to be Russian and downplays their national identity. And go back enough in history and you do see a pattern.
I can say the same for you.
Are you in Russias pocket to be parroting their fantastical claims?
Why should Ukraine concede?
No, I’m not parroting fantastical claims, nor am I paid to have a sober analysis of the Russo-Ukrainian War. You cannot say the same for me. Ukraine should concede (as they should have done when they had the chance a few months into the war) because they can’t win, and all they are doing is getting more of themselves killed. That’s why the war is increasingly unpopular, and Kiev relies on forced conscription.
Yes, you are. You just don’t see it apparently. You are repeating talking points from right wing Russia aligned media.
What is your opinion on the Israeli invasion of Palestine? Should Palestine just cede Gaza to end the war?
I’m repeating analysis even agreed upon by western sources, you’re repeating far-right propaganda and talking points. The difference between the settler-colonial genocide of Palestine and the Russo-Ukrainian War is that Israel intends to exterminate all of Palestine, and must to complete their settler-colonial project, while Russia only wants the 4 oblasts, which are already pro-Russian (that’s why Kiev has been bombing them for a decade). If Palestine surrenders, they die, if Ukraine surrenders then the war ends and the Donbass region joins Russia like they want to.